Is the game a litle bit too fast now?

Before Heavensward, the numbered patches came at a 3 months interval roughly. It meant new quests, new instances, new gear and new tomestones. You had time to upgrade your mains, and even equip your alternative classes.
Now, Heavensward has not even been out officially for a month (official launch was the 23rd of june), and I feel I'm getting overwhelmed with the new upgrades.

When HW was out, we had to level at least one job to 60 and finish the main story to unlock all the roulettes and start the gear grind for tomes. It took me more than a week to do so and I did it on WHM. I unocked the expert roulette and started getting my BLM to 60. Alexander was released a few days after and I only got to play the first 3 floors. I got BLM to 60 the next week and cleared now the fourth floor while trying to beat Bismark extreme.

Today is the patch with new tomestones and Alexander savage. As of today, I have both my jobs on law, 5 law upgrades and 4 pieces of Alexander on BLM, and WHM with 7/13 law upgrades and no Alexander, and 2 different Alexander hand-ins floating in my inventory because I need either 4 of the item or 2 to get a full piece.

And now I have to ditch all that and start grinding for the new tomes? I only got another upgrade for my WHM yesterday :/ From 3 months we went to 2 weeks :(
Does anyone else feel a bit rushed here?

Alex NM was sure rendered irrelevant for hardcore/casuals alike really fast.

There will definitely be fewer players running BisEX/RavEX in 3.05 too. Bismarck/Ravana pony pls? :o

Er... it's exactly the same as it was in ARR.

Actually it's been slower, since ARR had mythology (wich would be the esoterics) from the start iirc.

Yes and its putting me off the game a bit tbh. Savage came out right time but now there's so much different gear.

Oh don't you worry. It'll slow down.

No they even told us this is how they would do it. (Now I need someone to post that mind map)
Also havent you learned already that its pointless to farm gear unless you want them for glamour or are actually doing end game raiding?

Correction: only 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4 and 2.5 were the ones that came in ~3months interval. The smaller ones between them have been quite frequent even in ARR - not this frequent, but frequent enough.

And yes, Alexander came two weeks after HW launch, and now we're four weeks after HW launch and Alex Savage is here - just like they said and showed on numerous occasions they had planned.

I do agree it's kinda insane though, like yeah hi you can get gear from Alex normal, but all in a weekly lock - and hey now esoterics gear is now here, also with a weekly cap but it's still gonna cause much less headache to collect and is apparently 10 ilvl higher than Alex normal....? Eh.

At the same time: this is all for just one job. You're still screwed if you wanna play multiple jobs (hell, multiple roles?) as the game's core system would encourage you to.

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

Alex NM was sure rendered irrelevant for hardcore/casuals alike really fast.

There will definitely be fewer players running BisEX/RavEX in 3.05 too. Bismarck/Ravana pony pls? :o

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Yup. There's no reason to do these now other than a clear. I'll be PVPing, levelling alts and doing a bit of Savage (in a few weeks, once everyone has figured out the dance). After that, who knows? At least I don't feel compelled to log into this game every day. Don't know if that's the developers' intended effect.

SE is staggered releases in order to prevent/limit forced and/or rushed leveling.

If Alex HM/SV and Esoterics were released in 3.00 then anyone who was not in early release would be a week behind those who were and anyone who took more than week to level up would have been even further behind.

They set it up so that everyone had 2 weeks reach 60 before Alex HM and 4 weeks to reach 60 before Esoterics and Alex SV.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

Correction: only 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4 and 2.5 were the ones that came in ~3months interval. The smaller ones between them have been quite frequent even in ARR - not this frequent, but frequent enough.

And yes, Alexander came two weeks after HW launch, and now we're four weeks after HW launch and Alex Savage is here - just like they said and showed on numerous occasions they had planned.

I do agree it's kinda insane though, like yeah hi you can get gear from Alex normal, but all in a weekly lock - and hey now esoterics gear is now here, also with a weekly cap but it's still gonna cause much less headache to collect and is apparently 10 ilvl higher than Alex normal....? Eh.

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That's what I mean. I haven't compled i190 yet (under weekly lock) and now there's new gear? Why put a weekly lock if they giving better gear anyway?

The one job thing sucks too cause ive got an alt.

it was stated before expansion release the ETA on when we should be expecting new tomes and raid etc. this was to give players who wanted a chance to experience and appreciate the game the opportunity to do so with out feeling they were a week behind on tome capping/raid loot. this hold on the release of content was given to the community as a courtesy.
some people may have been playing since expansion release and may not have a 60 yet or focused on crafting or whatever. maybe they will feel this "rush" too or as though they are falling behind. but not everyone works at the same pace. to with hold this already expected content would put a wall up on those who do progress at a faster pace.
or what about raiders? people who pretty much only play for the more hard core of mechanic content? should they still have to wait for the game they love? if not, theres the other side of the player base who wouldnt find it fair to not have equivalent ilvl gear to be able to obtain outside of raid content.
everyone has a pace. the game can not cater to everyone or any individual but they try.
dont fret, get upset or worked up about it. just continue at YOUR pace and play the game you like

Andddddd this is why u dont hunt. Hahahhahahaha lol jk
Nah the game isn't fast at all.
Devs delayed content from 3.0 release sooooooo we r just getting the stuff we should have gotten from the start.

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Originally Posted by Orbiaus

That's what I mean. I haven't compled i190 yet (under weekly lock) and now there's new gear? Why put a weekly lock if they giving better gear anyway?

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i200 and i210 will take longer to get than you think. It will take only 5 weeks to full outfit a class in 190 and 8+ weeks to full gear a class to i200 unless you are lucky with drops from Alex SV.

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

Alex NM was sure rendered irrelevant for hardcore/casuals alike really fast.

There will definitely be fewer players running BisEX/RavEX in 3.05 too. Bismarck/Ravana pony pls? :o

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Alexander normal will still remains relevant for a while.

Keep in mind that Eso are capped at 450/week. Weapons cost 990 Eso and armor pieces 825(chest, legs)/495(head, feet, hands)/375(belt, accessories).
Also, a lot of players won't be able to clear Alexander Savage before echo kicks in (and even after that).

To add some salt, Eso gear isn't shared by multiple jobs.

So, in short terms, you won't be full 210 (or even 200) before quite some time. Not even speaking about alt jobs.
i190 is still very relevant.

It's SLOWER than it was in 2.0.
What the hell are you guys complaining about?

The Law gear was the necessary building block for Alexander (Savage). Alexander (normal) is for people who won't be doing Alexander (S) (to experience the story... gear is mostly for glamour purposes), and an easy practice run for those who do intend to do Alex (S).

Esoterics is for those that either won't be doing A.Savage, or want a little better gear to help them out when they do attempt it later.

This is exactly, and I mean exactly, like Darklight >> LotA >> Myth >> Coil

The building block was Darklight, the intermediary was LotA, and the top were Myth and Coil. Now it's Law is building block, A.Normal is intermediary, and top is Esoteric and A.Savage.

its slowed down not sped up, this is the first engame raid and has been withheld from players to allow everyone to get basic gear.

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Originally Posted by Bebekurenai

Does anyone else feel a bit rushed here?

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No. But all of this was intended. All that has happened is the content has been released in staggered stage. They would normally have been released on day 1 of the expansion. It's been staggered to allow people to focus on the story/level aspects first. Like back in 2.0, Myth was available from day 1 which gave i90 gear, and the Philosophy tomes (like Law) gave i70 gear. This is no different, we just have had time between the release of certain things.

For the average player, they will be mixing Alex NM and Esoterics gear simply due to the 450 weekly cap. Each stage of gear is a step up towards the best. The stages can be seen almost as: Law + Upgraded Law (not gated)> Alex + Esoterics (weekly gate) > Alex Savage + Upgraded Esoterics (difficulty/weekly gate)

Plus, there will be few people (in the whole scheme of things) who will even see i210 gear given the difficulty of Savage (people are stuggling to meet the DPS check for Faust, let alone beating A1S). So most are going to be in i180 with bits of i190 Alex NM gear and a few pieces of Eso. And that's just on their main class. For alt jobs, they'll mostly be in i180/i190 for a good few weeks.

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Before Heavensward, the numbered patches came at a 3 months interval roughly. It meant new quests, new instances, new gear and new tomestones. You had time to upgrade your mains, and even equip your alternative classes.
Now, Heavensward has not even been out officially for a month (official launch was the 23rd of june), and I feel I'm getting overwhelmed with the new upgrades.

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Technically speaking, everything that's out right now is stuff that was "supposed" to be out as soon as HW launched. The only reason Alex was held back so that people could "take their time" and enjoy the storyline.

You're not going to see a lot of people in i210. Savage Alexander isn't something a group of random people you pick up with party finder will be capable of consistently doing. Ravana EX already is the cause of many PF tears due to all its subtle nuances for when DD need to keep up DPS or retreat. Not to mention the double prey mechanic.

For the hardest material in the game, players will need to form static groups and play on schedules if they hope to do these without breaking themselves into pieces on the party finder tool.

You guys are right, it has been announced and split so we don't get overwhelmed at the launch of HW. And yet I feel like my proud i180 blm is or will be soon outdated again. Yes it happened before but I still have the sensation it's too fast, I only got to 60 not even 3 weeks ago ;;

I see too many people jumping the gun on Alex normal gear being useless... You have to remember that getting Esoterics gear is gonna take a while. You need 3 weeks just to get the weapon...

If you are gonna go into Alex Savage in the near future, you're gonna need those 190 gear pieces.

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Originally Posted by Craiger

I see too many people jumping the gun on Alex normal gear being useless... You have to remember that getting Esoterics gear is gonna take a while. You need 3 weeks just to get the weapon...

If you are gonna go into Alex Savage in the near future, you're gonna need those 190 gear pieces.

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Considering how much of a DpS check Savage Faust is I would not be surprised if Alexander Savage is tuned for i190 (A1) to i205 (A4).

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Originally Posted by Bebekurenai

Before Heavensward, the numbered patches came at a 3 months interval roughly.

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We don't have 3.1 yet