Two maintenances

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In order to accompany Patch 3.05, we will be performing maintenance on all Worlds at the time below. During this period, FINAL FANTASY XIV will be unavailable.

* Patch 3.05 will be implemented in two separate maintenances. Adjustments to gatherer/crafter, including “red crafters' scrip” and ”red gatherers' scrip”, will be implemented in the maintenance scheduled on Jul. 22, 2015.

* The World Transfer Service will be suspended 15 minutes before the maintenance, and will be unavailable until maintenance has ended.

* Please be advised that you will be unable to make reservations for Ceremonies of Eternal Bond from the time maintenance ends until Jul. 24, 2015 2:00 a.m. (PDT)

We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and thank you for your understanding.

[Date & Time]
Jul. 20, 2015 11:00 p.m. to Jul. 21, 2015 3:00 a.m. (PDT)
* Completion time is subject to change.

[Affected Worlds]
All Worlds

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SE, please, just extend maintenance time frames and do one long maintenance, rather than two maintenances a day apart. The amount of maintenance we've had in recent weeks is becoming a major hinderance for some people who can only play during the maintenance time frames.

Then play the next day.
Jeez, you guys act like you need this game to survive.

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Originally Posted by Mhikail

Then play the next day.
Jeez, you guys act like you need this game to survive.

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Some people's life schedules mean their only time to play is when maintenance hits. I get off work at 11 PM, so when I get home maintenance isn't far off, and by the time it's done I've usually gone to bed. Not that I really feel strongly about maintenance times myself; no matter when you schedule it you're going to interrupt someone, and my schedule drew the short straw. However, I can understand why some people would like a longer maintenance, especially with how much has been going on since the expansion dropped.

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Originally Posted by Mhikail

Then play the next day.
Jeez, you guys act like you need this game to survive.

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Not at all; consider the fact that some of us work at odd times (outside of the usual 9-5 malarky), sometimes, the game really feels like it's down more than it is up during the times that we can play.

You say 'play the next day', well what if we can't, because of work? :3, what if our next day off is yet another maintenance?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to waste my breath asking, or even bother to think that SE would ever change their maintenance times because they won't. But at the same time, it's a little meh when you pay to play a game, that you can't all too often. Don't assume that people are getting narky because they need the game to survive (that's just wrong, and rude, and painting an entirely wrong picture). People just want to be able to enjoy a product that they pay for.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

I get off work at 11 PM.

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Ha, me too.. healthcare ftw

There's just no sense in splitting it up into two updates. They've added just as much, if not more, in 2.XX patches.

This maintenance is unwarranted, the only reason they're doing two separate sets of maintenance is because of the crafting gear. They do not want world first FC's to use crafted gear and clear the raid straight away. I don't get why, if people want to mix and match melded gear that should be their prerogative not SE's decision.

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Originally Posted by Mhikail

Then play the next day.
Jeez, you guys act like you need this game to survive.

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Im paying for a 30 DAY subscription every month I atleast want to be able to play it.
So far since 3.0 dropped we've had maintenance on the following days (All of which are during my normal play time):

June 18-19th (24hr Maintenance)
Jun 24th (4hr maintenance)
Jun 29th (4hr maintenance)
July 8th (4hr maintenance)
July 13th (4hr Maintenance - ended up being 5hrs Aether was still down)
July 14th (Emergency Maintenance for all worlds)
July 20th (4hr maintenance today to drop partial 3.05)
July 22nd (likely 4hr mainstenance to drop the remainder of 3.05)


That being said, I'm all for maintenances to implement patches, but lately its been getting out of hand. A lot of times it was for very very minor bug fixes (or atleast as far as we're told) that likely could have waited for 3.05 .
So as far as I can see this is 8 days (out of my 30 day sub) that I'll have lost the ability to play during my available time slot. And the month is not yet over, who knows how many more will follow, as there will likely be bug fixes for 3.05 in the coming days.

Worst case scenario for some its two days without ARR, im pretty sure you can manage.

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Originally Posted by Devils_Lawyer

Worst case scenario for some its two days without ARR, im pretty sure you can manage.

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This isn't about managing though~ :3 Read the post above~ For some of us (Like OP), they have lost 30% of their gametime (give/take) this month because of maint. A lot of which could have been compiled into one maintenance.

Like I said before also; this isn't about kids kicking up a stink and being all "WAAAAH YOU TAEK GAEM FROM ME!", It's more like a "Maaaan this is kinda overkill, but meh, what can you do?"

Maintenance is going to interrupt -someone- regardless of when it is, and I'm ok with it! ... It just feels super often as of late.

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Originally Posted by Onikimaru

This maintenance is unwarranted, the only reason they're doing two separate sets of maintenance is because of the crafting gear. They do not want world first FC's to use crafted gear and clear the raid straight away. I don't get why, if people want to mix and match melded gear that should be their prerogative not SE's decision.

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They absolutely hated how quickly we cleared the previous coils with overmelding and single tank strats. They even commented that they were surprised and didn't expect the level of melding players would achieve (go figure huh?).

This is one of the reasons the crafted gear is right now kind of garbage.

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Originally Posted by Nix

Maintenance is going to interrupt -someone- regardless of when it is, and I'm ok with it! ... It just feels super often as of late.

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This ^^^ and its almost ALWAYS the same time slot and therefore the same group of people being affected.

Also, well said in the rest of your post ^_^

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Originally Posted by Vespar

And its almost ALWAYS the same time slot and therefore the same group of people.

Also, well said in the rest of your post ^_^

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Fo sho! And yeah, I always get hit with it... haha

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Originally Posted by Nix

Not at all; consider the fact that some of us work at odd times (outside of the usual 9-5 malarky), sometimes, the game really feels like it's down more than it is up during the times that we can play.

You say 'play the next day', well what if we can't, because of work? :3, what if our next day off is yet another maintenance?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to waste my breath asking, or even bother to think that SE would ever change their maintenance times because they won't. But at the same time, it's a little meh when you pay to play a game, that you can't all too often. Don't assume that people are getting narky because they need the game to survive (that's just wrong, and rude, and painting an entirely wrong picture). People just want to be able to enjoy a product that they pay for.

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I'm just going to quote what you said:

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Originally Posted by Nix

Maintenance is going to interrupt -someone- regardless of when it is.

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So tough luck.They do it the same time and it's convenience on the JP time.
I have odd work schedules and I don't always get to play.
I'm not trying to be rude but the amount of threads about people hooting and hollering about main times
gets annoying. These mait times are a bit annoying, but they can't
always catch things on the spot...and they need rest too. Didn't we agree to this stuff anyways?
Better than 2.0 where none of us could of logged in for a good 2 weeks or so.
Picking and choosing times like this is better. At least some people can get on and play.
Sorry if this is an inconvenience for you.

The reason for 2 part patch is to keep download time down so instead of 30 min to 1h update to longer than 1 hour

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Originally Posted by Mhikail

I'm just going to quote what you said:

So tough luck. I'm not trying to be rude but the amount of threads about people hooting and hollering about main times
gets annoying. They do it the same time and it's convience on the JP time.
I have odd work schedules and I don't always get to play. These mait times are a bit annoying, but they can't
always catch things on the spot...and they need rest too.

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Totally not disputing that, or even getting mad. Not gonna lie, it is bleh and it does feel kinda sucky when there are maintenances that could be condensed into one that are then spread over multiple days.

I know it's at the same time, and who it conveniences, and I've said in the past that I don't mind :3

No one's getting butthurt over it, or hooting and hollering as you'd put it (Not sure how you're reading people's tones XD), we're just saying "Man, agaaaain D:"

And no one's disputing that folks need rest either. I totally agree! Sleep is awesome, I wish I was able to get more of it.

That being said; your first post in the thread was rather misguided when you assumed that people were kicking up a stink and getting butthurt over things. (Oh my gawwd you guys need this gaem to survive?!?!?!)

To clarify; no, we don't. It is kinda meh when we're losing so much playtime though. No one's asking for them to change maint times, we do kinda not-so-secretly wish that they'd be more selective of when non-emergency maint was conducted. Weekly's cool, but every 2-3 days is really kinda meh D:

Have a wonderful day!

Think my signature might be relevant with this upcoming maintenance.

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Originally Posted by Nghthawk

Think my signature might be relevant with this upcoming maintenance.

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Ha! Ain't that the truth ; ;

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Originally Posted by Nix

Have a wonderful day!

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Thanks for this post. -Likes it-
I apologize for coming off rude.
Remember the emergency mait the other day?
One topic was made and this one guy got so damn furious, I assumed this was another one of those posts.
It's just hard to deal with because as I said, they soley do it for whats best for Japan's times.
We all just gotta suck it up. :/

There is literally nothing that they can/will do. They have set it up so that it effects as few of their subscribers as possible based on geographical location and typical play hours. There is literally NOTHING that they can do without hurting other people and probably more people. Sorry, but you are a statistic.

Typical maintenance day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d4RtvMQp10

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Originally Posted by Mhikail

Thanks for this post. -Likes it-
I apologize for coming off rude.
Remember the emergency mait the other day?
One topic was made and this one guy got so damn furious, I assumed this was another one of those posts.
It's just hard to deal with because as I said, they soley do it for whats best for Japan's times.
We all just gotta suck it up. :/

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For sure ;; and npnp!! Sometimes it's super hard to gauge tone over text, so I do try my best not to be harsh and explain things if I need to XD The world needs more understanding!

People need cake!

Cats need bellyrubs! ...wait... *whisperwhisper* nvm, I hear they hate that.

I remember that post too and I couldn't help but laugh XD.

Have an awesome day!! :D

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Originally Posted by Nix

Cats need bellyrubs! ...wait... *whisperwhisper* nvm, I hear they hate that.

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Depends on the cat, but most of the time if you are gentle they are fine, other wise its biting, pulling hands in with front paws and kicking outward with back.

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Originally Posted by Nghthawk

Depends on the cat, but most of the time if you are gentle they are fine, other wise its biting, pulling hands in with front paws and kicking outward with back.

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One of my cats, Waffle, she loooooooves it! The other, Max.... not so much D: He's a sucker for upper chest/cheek scratchies though >o<!

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Originally Posted by Mhikail

Thanks for this post. -Likes it-
I apologize for coming off rude.
Remember the emergency mait the other day?
One topic was made and this one guy got so damn furious, I assumed this was another one of those posts.
It's just hard to deal with because as I said, they soley do it for whats best for Japan's times.
We all just gotta suck it up. :/

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Not sure who that guy was, I guess I didnt see his topic. But yeah Im not that upset over this so much as I am imploring to SE why the need to split the maintenance up? If its going to be a long maintenance, just do it instead of causing the same demographic two days of lost game time where they could have just lost one day.
Also, I'm in Japan right now and the maintenance time just happens to fall between the hours of 3PM-7PM JST usually and oddly enought this just happens to be when Im usually home. Normally I dont have a problem with maintenance, but it is becoming excessive, and then when you realize that most of the maintenances could have been condensed into one and just had 1 or 2 maintenances to apply hotfixes, it can be a bit depressing.

Ahh well, guess I'll just have a Harry Potter marathon or something :P

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Originally Posted by Adire

Typical maintenance day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d4RtvMQp10

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This explains why it takes so long :O

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Originally Posted by Adire

Typical maintenance day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d4RtvMQp10

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LOVE the yipyips XD

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Originally Posted by dragorian

The reason for 2 part patch is to keep download time down so instead of 30 min to 1h update to longer than 1 hour

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Maintenance download times take an hour or more since when? When I download any of the maintenance's it never takes that long. I feel sorry for those who have had an hour or more to download maintenance's. Maybe they should upgrade their inet or something cause it should never take that long.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

Some people's life schedules mean their only time to play is when maintenance hits. I get off work at 11 PM, so when I get home maintenance isn't far off, and by the time it's done I've usually gone to bed. Not that I really feel strongly about maintenance times myself; no matter when you schedule it you're going to interrupt someone, and my schedule drew the short straw. However, I can understand why some people would like a longer maintenance, especially with how much has been going on since the expansion dropped.

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So go to bed early and get up early to play.

Maintenance times aside, this thread was amazing to read. Calm requests, sincere apologies, level headed and reasonable discussion. If only every corner of the internet was like this.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

Some people's life schedules mean their only time to play is when maintenance hits. I get off work at 11 PM, so when I get home maintenance isn't far off, and by the time it's done I've usually gone to bed. Not that I really feel strongly about maintenance times myself; no matter when you schedule it you're going to interrupt someone, and my schedule drew the short straw. However, I can understand why some people would like a longer maintenance, especially with how much has been going on since the expansion dropped.

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someone somewhere is always gnna have playtime taken away. deal with it

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Originally Posted by iWaRTuRTLeS

someone somewhere is always gnna have playtime taken away. deal with it

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Considering that guy isn't even the OP, and he's pretty chill about the whole maint thing (hell, honestly, everyone in this thread is), your reply was pretty unnecessary. (I'd suggest actually reading the thread before assuming people need to just 'deal with it')

I kind of assumed the timing of second maintenance is more of a planned emergency maintenance for savage Alexander. There is bound to be something broken that they didn't calculate, and would probably require a maintenance after a day or two.

Instead of "surprising" people with the emergency maintenance, they intentionally planned to release 3.05 in two updates, and will use the second maintenance to fine-tune savage alex for whatever problem may appear. Crafting just happens to be the thing they decided to postpone.

It's only practical in this business to expect an unexpected problem, and prepare in advance for dealing with it. It's the reason we keep fire extinguishers in buildings.

inb4 it's their game and they can do whatever they want with it, will maintenance cause you to quit? if so good, if not, then plan ahead.

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Originally Posted by Gunspec

Snippu

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Speculation~! But a valid point, though still speculation.

That being said, they've surprised us plenty of times with emergency maint before -_o
Earlier in the thread there was another guy telling us that they'd split up maint in 2 parts because of the download size. Unless we're on SE's tech team, we'll never know why they chose this route.


@ Adventica: I'm not sure if you're trying to be funny~ It's tough to gauge your tone :3 That being said, I'll clarify: No one's mad here XD, no one's bitter, threatening to quit. Honestly we're super chill about the whole thing. COOL LIKE CUCUMBERS!

But we do think that lately, maint has been a little... more often.

Get over it.

These threads always pop up, and there's always selfish people that don't understand the complaint... you know why? because those people don't get hit by the maintenance. If you have nothing nice to say or contribute to the thread apart from "get over it" or "plan ahead" or "someone will always get hit, deal with it" then don't say anything at all?

"someone will always get hit" is a false statement, you should say "the same people will always get hit" because that's exactly what's happening... but nobody cares because the masses aren't affected. Now you could say, how is that SE's fault? they are tying to avoid the biggest group.... why does that matter? are NA players somehow above me? just because of their timezone?

What about us? all those Oceanic players, JP players, Night Shift American players? this is OUR prime time and it's ALWAYS scheduled at the same bloody time, every 2-3 days it's the same announcement over and over

Hi! enjoying the game? just finished work? here's a 4 hour maintenance because we made a typo somewhere, thanks for your money.

When I made the post, it was more of a heads up for the folks like me who will be affected by it, and in another aspect, a statement to SE as to why we needed two different days to do implement patch/fixes when a single longer maintenance would likely have sufficed and kept them from taking an additional day away from the folks who can only play during this time slot.

At any rate, as other have said, most of us are cool with it, myself included, we are just acknowledging the fact that its getting excessive.
That being said, let's calmly and politely discuss the topic, shall we?

In the mean time, what do you all have planned to do for the double maintenance blocks?
I said earlier I'd do a Harry Potter marathon. Started a bit early and already finished the 1st movie ^^;

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Originally Posted by Etiken

Get over it.

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Awww man, don't you feel better after posting that! What a wonderful use of your time :D

Though I think a better use would have been you actually reading the thread though.

Most likely they diverted time from crafter/gatherer stuff final checks to polish Savage and maybe change normal.
Anything critical that is found first day of Savage can be quick fixed for the other maintenance as well.

People seem to forget that we're still in the initial release phase of Heavensward. I'm pretty confident that the amount of maintenance between patches post 3.1 will be dramatically lower. At the moment there are still a few glaring issues with the expansion that need sorting, and I for one am happy they're doing more maintenances to fix/change stuff instead of waiting months for the next major patch.

At the end of the day, shit happens.