It's a dilemma...a paradox of sorts...and a little rant by me.
People say they want this...then when it's delivered they find out they really didn't want this. In reality there's a lot of fault that has occurred to the Final Fantasy franchise because of player/fan wants.
We ask for more freedom to play as we please. Well that in essence was what was offered when FFXIV was released. Play whatever classes you want, combine whatever skills to make your perfect character. However, that's really not what people wanted after all...
They even complained about not having tutorials to guide them on how to play...really since when did you play a game with me holding your hand?
What happened to experimenting and figuring things out on our own? I thought people wanted that? Then when SE delivered that many peoples went ballistic.
There's a ton to do but people complain there's nothing to do. Well I guess since you aren't being hand held through a world with a static quest chain you have no clue what to do next. In reality you really wanted your hand held through your whole journey to be told what to do next. Can't have a story unless you are hand held through it...gotta play it out as they say it.
Then there's the case of me me me...I want this now now now or I'm leaving! Seriously? Please let the door smack you on the way out...
Do people think programming a game and designing graphics is an over night affair? Creating a storyline or sequence scenario isn't a quickie thing. In fact it's more time consuming these days then it ever has been. Did you know it could take half a year to code, design, sequence and record a 3 minute movie clip for a game? that opening video alone required some crazy amounts of work by SE.
Next time the developers give us a little special nugget like a lil event or two no matter how insignificant...how about a gesture of thanks. They didn't have to throw that bit in...but as they continue to throw those little pieces in...after a period of time those little nuggets bring a world together...maybe a world more organic and active at all times...
I thought the fun of a game was experiencing it and finding things out? Now people complain that SE isn't telling much about this or that and they want to know everything...well if you know how to say craft every item in the game what's the point of playing a crafter? Oh here's the recipe I'm the proper rank...grind grind grind ooh high quality version. Instead it should be hmm...if I mix x, y, and z ingredient I wonder what I can make? OMG seriously this made this amazing thing...my secret lil recipe isn't that so much more exciting and feeling accomplished that you created something and especially if you did so b4 anyone else.
Why do people jump into an MMO at launch and complain and complain? How many years of MMOs has there been? Has not the common sense person realized if you gonna join an MMO at the start be ready for the changes and problems. If you don't want to take part then simply start playing at the 1 to 1.5 year from release mark. This is true with pretty much any MMO out these days. There's a lot of work to get an MMO out that is of amazing standards...
Some of us early adopters like to start from the beginning to grow and be part of something ever changing...we can look back and say we were there and you had no idea what it was like...but now...now it's amazing.
Should an MMO release fully complete? I've always said an MMO is in perpetual beta and only when they stop working on it is it a complete game. Is it even realistic to have a fullly complete MMO at launch? It costs a lot to make an MMO...I would rather support it at infancy and see it grow with my support. Would you gamble 50 million on a game you don't even know will come to anything?
Look at World of Warcraft...when it initially came out it was horrid and riddled with issues. The crazy 2 hour queues the constant crashes...the horrid lack of content. Yet umpteen years later it's become the king of MMOs.
Give a little love to FFXIV...it deserves it and every day it's getting more and more amazing...and be a little more appreciative that we have this game to play, and have a little respect for the developers. Be patient for all things and stop being childish.
Thank you all and have a nice day.
PS. I wouldn't be surprised if this post got flamed...so I'll say it now. Grow up...or maybe you still a kid and need to mature some. In which case, gain yourself a few more brain cells...learn how things work b4 you open your mouth and make a fool of yourself.
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09-30-2011, 06:48 PMAgovenWhat you want isn't really what you want...and a lil reality check.
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09-30-2011, 07:07 PMRenshi
It's because it's not the same people who ask things. If it was like that then problem solved, and IMO would be pretty bad. It's okay when someone is not happy with some things, as long as there's a thoughtful suggestion inside. That helps the Dev team in the creativity of things, how to do them and such.
If I complain about something, and they realize it, there will ALWAYS be a certain someone who doesn't like it. People know what they want. The Whole complex of people doesn't, and it's good. To be unanimous about things is to stop thinking =)
As I can say, they're doing a pretty awesome job, listening to the players and realizing their ideas. Rock on, Dev team! -
09-30-2011, 07:14 PMIsaaruI lol'd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agoven
Other than that tl;dr -
09-30-2011, 07:19 PMAgoven
The sad thing is the people who have positive comments and ideas don't post them...and they let the flamers and complainers take control.
Well dang it guys...it's our game too!!! There's never such a thing as a waste of a good idea so if you have something constructive to say and you like it pass it along. Please do it in a thoughtful way though...
And they might not say it but they really do appreciate praises too.
I know when I was in the industry in a similar situation I was so uplifted and excited to work when someone posted something nice...and then there's the day when you get that hate post and your whole day is ruined and you say why do I bother pouring my heart into this if all they going to do is hate. If you dislike something or don't agree constructive feedback is better then threats and cry me a river posts. -
09-30-2011, 07:22 PMAgovenH ahah...I figured it was too long. I think the world only has patience for the length of a twitter tweet. Otherwise too many birds chirping to hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaaru
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09-30-2011, 07:25 PMIsaaru
Nobody is going to respond the way you want when you have a potentially offensive closing statement, maybe you should remove it.
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09-30-2011, 07:28 PMAgoven
But I liked my PS statement...it was funny...jab jab. ah hahah
If they can't respond in a proper manner then it must be true. Truth hurts doesn't it :). -
09-30-2011, 07:30 PMLucinda_Lecore
I enjoyed that read (rant) and you're right. I personally love the little cutscenes and the small extras they throw in. Here here SE :)
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09-30-2011, 07:44 PMXmbei
I also liked that post, but with people (and this is in response do you remember when WoW or so-and-so MMO had a fail release) they forget those things and forget the game they have now took years to build, lol. T
his is why people love WoW now they forgot what it was like at release, and then they keep trying to hold the standards of a NEW market MMO to a game that has been out for years and has evolved and moved past the growing pains. Those stated before is why so many good idea MMO's fail is because either non-original, or they are comparing it to an MMO that has been out for 6+ years already. -
09-30-2011, 08:38 PMEekikiIt's not that. It's that I'm at work and I don't have time to read anything more than something the length of a typical e-mail message.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agoven
I will say this, though. SE could have cut their losses and killed XIV altogether. To be honest it wouldn't have made much of a difference to them in the big scheme of things, what with the recent success of their recent acquisition Eidos.
Instead, they admitted they did something very bad, apologized for it profusely, and have been working for the past year to make things right by us, the fans. Say what you will about what fruit their efforts have born, but they've put a lot of time, money, and resources into this game. -
09-30-2011, 08:41 PMPayadopa
I mostly agree with the OP. Especially the me, me, ME(!!!1!1) part, let alone the childish way people love to respond.
I wonder why it's totally out of the question to respond in a nice way.
Also, it's more than sad that our generation has adapted this 'tl;dr' metality. I don't consider reading more than one line as mentally challenging. I find it rather insulting that a writer assumes I'm almost brain dead and therefore need a summary at the end. Same goes for quest markers.
tl;dr: ;) -
09-30-2011, 08:46 PMAgoven
This is totally off topic but what's with all the my little pony signature lines?
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09-30-2011, 08:51 PMPayadopa
Oh, that's just something that went out of control. lol
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09-30-2011, 08:55 PMXmbei
on the topic of TL;DR.... I found it rather depressing and had me /facepalming when this happened... I was in my International politic's class and this dude was arguing with the teacher for like 30-45 min don't recall and during his long arguements he went as a rebuttal "well TL;DR blah blah blah" I literally facepalmed in class when he said that.
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09-30-2011, 08:56 PMAgovenI admit it's hilarious. Man brings back my childhood when that show first aired. Boys had Glo Worms ... girls had My Little Pony. Oh dear I shouldn't say that out loud next thing you know we'll start a Glo Worm rage again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Payadopa
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09-30-2011, 09:37 PMFiosha_Maureiba
Agreed Agoven and thank you for separating ideas out with paragraphs (it's kinda like reading multiple tweets separated by a space instead of a line).
WoW-wise I remember content wise differently, but the 45+ minute queue times and the frequent disconnects to get put back in line. Omg those were the days. -
09-30-2011, 09:45 PMviion
I dont think you understand the concept of what we wanted and what we got. Not to mention yes there is nothing to do.
There is a lot of flaws in what you say, i think you just see the community as 1 big voice that sometimes says it wants this and sometimes say it doesnt, when its not its individual people with different attitudes. -
09-30-2011, 09:49 PMZanfire
i know i want the world to be re-done...and yes i do really want it...and im among a sea of players who want it to. So do we really want it?
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09-30-2011, 09:58 PMRenshiDo you think I don't answer in a nice way? Then f*ck off, you are wrong and [ad hominem attack here]Quote:
Originally Posted by Payadopa
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bah, I suck at this, bite me again =D
Anyway, if everybody would answer in a nice way with thoughtful suggestions, then this would be the Devs' Paradise =) -
09-30-2011, 10:01 PMAykatuhttp://www.npr.org/2011/06/25/137386...ays-not-my-jobQuote:
Originally Posted by Agoven
Click Play....No text to read, don't worry...meets the 124 character limit -
09-30-2011, 10:01 PMAgoven
Well we want the Empire to blow up Gridania and the denizens to retreat to Ishgard, We want the rise of the spirits of the wood ushering in espers(whatever you wanna call them into the world). We want them to choose to lend us their power to defeat the empire. We want the Moogles to take notice of the Empire and appear from their hiding...we want then for Ishgard to be the central ground to spark a defensive pacts with all the GCs and a war to take back Gridania and push the Empire off...in the mean time because of the downfall of Gridania...the dragon and beast tribes and all the GCs form a massive coalition to take down the empire. However, the empire unleashes a massive new magitek monster aimed square at destroying our lovely continent...forces must unite or all is lost.
Oh wait...I'm just dreaming... -
09-30-2011, 10:12 PMXmbeiHahaha what a bronyQuote:
Originally Posted by Aykatu
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09-30-2011, 10:18 PMAykatuI actually thought the first reply to that NPR clip was going to be TL;DL with an assumed comment. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Xmbei
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09-30-2011, 10:32 PMRadiator
I feel a bit older now that I had to look up TL;DL and Urban Dictionary was updated in 2005...
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09-30-2011, 10:47 PMIlethius
I think a lot of people have the 'grass is greener on the other side' syndrome, they shout as loud as they can for changes and when those changes dont turn out to be as good as they thought they would they shout again for something else and continue the process never being fully satisfied.
It's sad but its part of our fast paced society with ever decreasing attention spans, its only going to get worse with so many games being made but the industry doesnt care as long as it sells. -
09-30-2011, 11:14 PMKonachibi
Love the OP, pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Just ignore the flamers and the negative posts, they're just people who know you're right but are just too ignorant to admit it.
Overall ignorance is what's killing most things, that's why 'TL;DR' popped up in the first place, some people are just lazy.
@viion: There's a hell of a lot to do in this game, if you go out and find it. -
09-30-2011, 11:38 PMdarkstarpoet1
i agree with you. tanaka released a good start to a game that should have still been in beta, but would have loved to see those visions completed. good job tanaka. i wish you would have been given the same length of time to tweak the issues that the other games with a bad release were given to fix their issues ie. xi, wow. remember it wasn't the ones that actually got the game for what it was advertised to be that were complaining over and over on release.
the majority of those that enjoyed the system left after a while was because there was really not alot to do in game at release which is why the majority of the players polled asked for content over anything else.