Do not keep old PvP maps behind when the new one is implemented.

Hello,
I just wanted to say that I hope that when the new map is implemented, the old maps will have same iLvl and Lvl ceiling as the new map to be still viable.

When secure came, everyone stopped doing Wolves Den. When Slaughter came, people rather did that than Secure, because it was faster and it offered same reward.

There really is no point of adding new maps and modes if they almost completely remove the will to do the old ones. In that way PvP would never expand.

Sorry for my poor English.

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

When secure came, everyone stopped doing Wolves Den.[/SIZE]

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Wolves den population didnt really change much when secure was added, the only thing that changed for me was that when slaughter was added, i stopped doing FL because it was utter tripe

I see what you want, but unfortunately the new frontlines will kill Slaughter just as Slaughter did kill Secure before.

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Originally Posted by Sanghelios

I see what you want, but unfortunately the new frontlines will kill Slaughter just as Slaughter did kill Secure before.

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It will, but there is no need for that. I mean yeah, initialy people will run the new map just because it will be.. new.
But if they atleast add the same item level, same rewards, same level sync + introduce the new map into frontline roulette + maybe add higher bonuses to map with longer fights, in 2 or 3 months people could play all of them rather than selecting just one.

Thats true. But you have to concider something here. Since they new mode will be "new", everyone is going to play it and the queues will be quick for it. And this is going to be etched in every players mind, so they will always prefer the new mode, no matter if it has same rewards/requirements. Only way to counter that is to inqrease the rewards on the old maps, but this is obviously not going to happen.

Another way would be that they going to make the roulette a "real" random roulette. By now, there isnt a random mechanic behind the roulette system. They just put you in a group wich needs players. Taking this in mind and saying you want to get secure with roulette, someone else would have to solo queue for secure before. And its obvious that the amount of players wich only picking secure is a huge minority. Thats the reason why you only get slaughter in roulette. To counter this, they could remove the option to directly queue for any of the frontlines modes and only allow players to queue for frontlines roulette. This way they could make it 100% random and they would still have the whole pvp community available without splitting them into different game modes.

More than not updating the old ones to current ilvl/level, i think the issue has more to do with the fact that they just seem to keep pumping out 72man maps when the pvp community is barely large enough (or even interested enough ) to keep one active.
Most other mmos with larger pvp communities don't just keep pushing for just large scale battlegrounds, most of the ones they have or introduce are small scale (8-10man total), yet SE seems to either not give a crap or likes to see their old FL maps/modes completely barren, maybe it's also to keep it in line with the lore, after all, the conflicts have to end at one point :rolleyes:...

dont remove old map but remove old mode im really dont want to see (slaughter) again in 3.0 :)

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Originally Posted by Srab

dont remove old map but remove old mode im really dont want to see (slaughter) again in 3.0 :)

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Yeah and pls remove your moustache and this green in your face. :D

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Originally Posted by Redfame

Yeah and pls remove your moustache and this green in your face. :D

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sure if they add new mustache :D

Remove all PvP, and recreate it. Lore? Say a meteor wiped out the maps.

Tbh though it is kinda sad imo, that slaughter will die (it is already dead). 72 was a mess, but 24 was quite fun. Opposite with secure, but 72 secure is a reality that will never ever happen again. It is beyond dead.

It's kinda odd to see a completely dead option in the duty finder. Why is it even there? Like I said. Remove 'em. If you need a lore reason just say the maps are down for pest control or something lol.

This will actually be needed in the future if the only thing that makes peolpe PvP is new content. Remove old maps and add new ones. Too many dead maps is a waste of space.

Not enough people PVP in this game for there to be more than one popular mode at any time.

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Originally Posted by daiquentyn

Not enough people PVP in this game for there to be more than one popular mode at any time.

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If every mode is made with 72 people in mind, no there isn't.

However they could ,instead of just releasing more and more 72man maps/modes, release mostly maps made for smaller groups, like most other mmos do , of say 8v8 or even 16v16 , hell even if they had released slaughter for 8v8v8 only it would have been 100000000x times better and i bet it would still be active. Those maps would have better queues, would be easier to balance and your actions would matter much more and most importantly you could have multiple maps being active. Say 8v8 maps, with the same amount of players (72) you would be able to populate 4.5 instances of this size...

Unfortunately they just seem interested in saying " look our pvp is so awesome it's such a large scale", ie making it large scale just for the sake of being large scale taking any of the considerations i said above to the bin... yeah... guess they don't like people playing as much of their content as possible

Slaughter needs to be left behind and forgotten.

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Originally Posted by Pibz

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24 man slaughter was perfect. I would love if that was its own mode at 60.

Hopefully 8vs8 Wolves Den shows a better turn out than 4vs4 Wolves Den atm.

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Originally Posted by daiquentyn

24 man slaughter was perfect. I would love if that was its own mode at 60.

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The way they implement the maps makes it impossible for the players to do any modification on how they want to play that map. PvP shouldn't be treated as another dungeon or raid. Lack of customization will always kill the older modes this way (ie slaughter/secure will always be lvl 50). I'll miss 24 slaughter ;_;
As I said, it's kind of wierd to have all these options noone uses. It's like owning an obsolete peice of gadget just for the sake of owning it. Nice to look at?

They need to have 60 versions of both secure (72) and slaughter (24) along with a constant +100-200 exp/wolf Roulette bonus, even after your first for the day. This will insure all modes will be played, while providing a slight exp. buff people would like.

I wouldn't be opposed to a new mount linked to each of the 3 battlegrounds. 100 wins of each. Incentives are good, and mounts are good incentives. (Maybe even a minion version of the mount at 50?).

Yeah... another poor design choice for PvP.. They might add it eventually though. They just really lack the hindsight when things first come out (i.e Frontlines Roulette giving Soldiery/Poetics instead of Wolf Marks/Exp)