This new loot ststem for Ales is beyond pathetic.

So after 100 kills for springs (not just t3) and still no healer pants, it has started to dawn on me that this loot system is actually waaaaay worse than the old one. You know, way back when raids actually dropped loot. Having to win rolls against entire parties when your drop actually shows up multiple times per week multiple weeks versus going until something drops once and you roll against maybe one person seems like it would be a no brainer. The amount of rng that goes into this new system is completely infuriating. I have killed t3 close to 50 times and watch about 30 people get their spring so far. That is for one spring. 1/4 of a piece of gear. I don't ever remember having to farm like this for one piece of gear before. Can someone pass the message along that maybe raids should I dunno, drop loot again.

If you've put that much time in, it tells me that you are quite dedicated to this game.
That begs the question. Why don't you have a static group to run with until you all get drops?
You only need this gear for Alex Savage, and you need a static to make any meaningful progress on Alex Savage.

Was it 100 times or 50 times? Your number is going down quick. By the time I finish typing it, will it be 25?

New loot is coming tuesday also, why do you need these pants bad enough to go through that?

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Was it 100 times or 50 times? Your number is going down quick. By the time I finish typing it, will it be 25?

New loot is coming tuesday also, why do you need these pants bad enough to go through that?

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This week or in total? And yea, new loot. Tomes and more Alex. I can only imagine the fun of farming savage for tokens like we are doing now.

Just make a farm party. We've been getting everything we want in a couple of hours farming doing the Alex farms with a FC/PF pug pre-made parties.

It's better than the old WoD system for sure, but it's still not good. I can understand it's really frustrating to df it; hence why I don't even bother, but just form a farm party instead.

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Originally Posted by Farrell

This week or in total? And yea, new loot. Tomes and more Alex. I can only imagine the fun of farming savage for tokens like we are doing now.

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You can only clear once per week. Also make PF groups with "run until everyone has token", done. Most often, not the system is the problem because the system offers possibilities to do it efficient but the player is the problem, because he doesn't utilize the possibilities. Stop sucking, become happy.

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Originally Posted by Grotesque

You can only clear once per week. Also make PF groups with "run until everyone has token", done. Most often, not the system is the problem because the system offers possibilities to do it efficient but the player is the problem, because he doesn't utilize the possibilities. Stop sucking, become happy.

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PF groups are the only real way to go for these dungeons. Just make "run at least 4 times so everyone can get loot". Little over an hour later everyones set for the week on that floor.

One time I did Shiva Ex for MNK weapon 50 times. Cool story huh? RNG is RNG. Also PF

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Originally Posted by Ruri

PF groups are the only real way to go for these dungeons. Just make "run at least 4 times so everyone can get loot". Little over an hour later everyones set for the week on that floor.

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Except when 8 peeps are going for legs in T3 :)

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Originally Posted by Grotesque

Except when 8 peeps are going for legs in T3 :)

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Then go 8 times :p still better than 100 like OP claims to have done. Maybe 2 hours for 8 runs or less if the party is very good.

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Originally Posted by Ruri

Then go 8 times :p still better than 100 like OP claims to have done. Maybe 2 hours for 8 runs or less if the party is very good.

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Excluding the runs with head/head, head/crank, crank/crank ;) But yeah, I just wanted to point out the difference between "everybody get token" and "run 4 times". Normally you're done in about 10 to 12 runs if everybody wants only one specific token, which makes it about 2 hours with one run being 10 minutes

Oh it's another one of these "I can't get all the loot I want on day one so I'm unhappy" threads. No matter what loot system they have some people will be unlucky on drops and whine about it. To me that's half the fun just working hard for a drop and finally getting it. Though I wish they just had loot drops instead of dropping tokens for loot they aren't as exciting.

just wait till you see RNG return with savage mode then youll be HAPPY that normal mode works this way atleast.... i bet it will work like this :

upgraded gordian gears will drop. randomly. fine once per week for the same player.

a upgrade token will be given to all members per week once. these can probaly be used to upgrade the normal mode armor to the savage version but youll need more than 1 for some pieces like chest.

we know normal mode has no weapon. so what happens with weapons you my ask yourself? RIGHT GUYS. RNG IS BACK on weekly locked raid weapons which are the worst now since 3 new jobs youll basicly never get your weapon until next alex raid cluster comes XD please look forward to it !

the above wouldnt suprise me ONE BIT considering how much they love RNG and how silent they have been about savage loot system (no details on how tokens will work yet excet that everyone gets one)

Killed T3 100 times.

Okay.

I'm not sure how anyone can really defend this new system. Sure it works great if your in a static but it's duty finder content. The loot system should of stayed the same as the old one, now everyone's rolling on the same stuff all the time or not running at all.

because of rng I now roll need on everything.... aslong as its for gear I need such as drg and pld gears... wanted drg gear first but rng is stupid...

Join a PF farm group or go in with friends, fc, and/or ls member if you are using DF to help lower the amount of people lotting for the same item. I don't understand why people are afraid of asking others to help, especially from their FC and LSs.

I have usually gotten my drops in under 6 with no issues then again, since the last update, I have had no interest in doing normal Alexander.

I think I'm gonna start PF locking drops this week, with 2 runs guaranteed.

I think that can work as well. Just wait a little longer for party to fill up.

The problem with the Alexander loot system is they didn't change it to fit the new system they just shoe horned it in with no thought to how it should work.

Some simple changes that would make the token system far less annoying:

Every turn drops all it's available loot every completion. There is no reason we should be collecting multiple parts, hoping rng doesn't suck and then hoping we actually win the lot against everyone else there.

Or

Rather than having different tokens for every slot it should be one token for everything. Turn one in and you get belt/accessories. Two and you get gloves, boots or hats, four and you get pants or a body piece.

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Only one token is required for a specific piece. Put accessory drops in every turn and make body and pants more rare.

Didn't they say they'd be outing more loot in on clears? Was suprized they didn't put this in during savage update.

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Didn't they say they'd be outing more loot in on clears? Was suprized they didn't put this in during savage update.

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Yes they did, A1 - A4 Normal now drops 4 pieces instead of 2.

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Originally Posted by CoolMithra

Yes they did, A1 - A4 Normal now drops 4 pieces instead of 2.

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I am soooooooooooo happy for this. Alex RNG whipped my ass last week.

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Originally Posted by Acyd

I am soooooooooooo happy for this. Alex RNG whipped my ass last week.

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Yea RNG is horrible. I was in a really good group last week for A4, we ran it like 6 times (originally we were only doing 4 runs, but good group so everyone didn't mind staying a few more). Pretty much it was all the Hand Token every run, with like 2 Leg Token and no Body Token...

Got A1-A3 done last night. 4 drops is the bees knees.

Another one here who got damn happy with the 4 drops. Last week was frustrating!

Curious if the old loot system increases drops to 4, maybe you will be more happier? ^^;

If so... the problem was we just need "increase drops" at the first place....

8 drops are needed per run! No! 8 drops that are tokens that you can trade for any piece! No! 8 drops that are tokens that give you your full set, plus ponies, plus craft materials and cards, and finish the msq for you!

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Curious if the old loot system increases drops to 4, maybe you will be more happier? ^^;

If so... the problem was we just need "increase drops" at the first place....

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Increasing the drop rate was a quick fix rather than trying to make some odd change to make it more accessible to people queuing up solo.

I stop dfing Alexander at A3 and strictly stuck with PF, FC, and LS farms with no complaints. The added 2 drops means “farming“ can be done in 2-3 runs locally and DF drops from 40+ with out RNGesus' blessing to around 5-10.

There's still a bottle neck on accessories, chest and pants. They seem to have a lower drop rate then the other pieces.... :/

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Originally Posted by morerancor

There's still a bottle neck on accessories, chest and pants. They seem to have a lower drop rate then the other pieces.... :/

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Nope, it's just rng. We had one run with 0 shafts, and then one with 4. While that's not solid correlation. I have no reason to believe there are lower drop rates on certain pieces.

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Originally Posted by Medieval

Nope, it's just rng. We had one run with 0 shafts, and then one with 4. While that's not solid correlation. I have no reason to believe there are lower drop rates on certain pieces.

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Really? In my experience its always one of each + a random. Are you telling DuckTales? :O

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Originally Posted by Medieval

Nope, it's just rng. We had one run with 0 shafts, and then one with 4. While that's not solid correlation. I have no reason to believe there are lower drop rates on certain pieces.

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This is garbage. Every token drops once and then an additional random

yeah its always one of each and one random

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Originally Posted by Grotesque

This is garbage. Every token drops once and then an additional random

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No, it's not garbage. It happens often.

Had one run the other night where drops were 2 Lens pieces four fights in a row.

EDIT: The situation I described occurred BEFORE they added the extra two drops to the floors.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

No, it's not garbage. It happens often.

Had one run the other night where drops were 2 Lens pieces four fights in a row.

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Erm yeah.... that's the scenario he said

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

No, it's not garbage. It happens often.

Had one run the other night where drops were 2 Lens pieces four fights in a row.

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L2R & L2T...

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Originally Posted by Medieval

Nope, it's just rng. We had one run with 0 shafts, and then one with 4. While that's not solid correlation. I have no reason to believe there are lower drop rates on certain pieces.

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thats why we cant have nice things

people complaining about things which arent even true

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

thats why we cant have nice things

people complaining about things which arent even true

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We had one run where 500 bolts dropped and everyone on the server was forced to take one.
It wasn't even Alex, it was Ifrit NM

all RNG