Why Didn't the Ascian... (POSSIBLE SPOILERS)

So I may have come a bit unprepared when making this post as I'm not sure of the particular Ascian's name off the top of my head, but here goes...



I'm really surprised that the Ascian who shows up with the archbishop at the end of the Bismarck story fight doesn't just throw us off the floating island. I was thinking about it today. He easily lifts us up and holds us in place with his dark magic whilst they steal our hard-earned key...but why does he not just flick his wrist and send us flying off this tiny flying island's edge?

To my understanding, it's doubtable that Cid would have been able to come to our rescue while falling since he was towing the aforementioned island. I don't think we could have summoned a flying mount while falling since you can't summon a mount whilst jumping or falling in the overworld. I suppose you could argue we could teleport since we can do that in the air now, though we still can't do that while falling from, say, a cliff.

Again, it just sort of seems like it would have been an easy thing within this Ascian's power to do...even if he wasn't sure it'd actually kill us, it'd get us out of the way for a bit. I know there's a thousand "what ifs" but I just thought this one was kind of fun since it just came to mind. Were there any other obvious kill-shots the Ascian's haven't taken at us yet that maybe I just don't remember? Curious to hear what you guys think on it!

You misunderstand- We cant summon our Gryphon while running/falling because it's Mechanic Bound. In a Cutszene there are whole other Laws active such as summoning your trusty Gryphon/Chocobo. Same with Teleporting to the nearest Aetheryt.

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Originally Posted by CodeCass

So I may have come a bit unprepared when making this post as I'm not sure of the particular Ascian's name off the top of my head, but here goes...



I'm really surprised that the Ascian who shows up with the archbishop at the end of the Bismarck story fight doesn't just throw us off the floating island. I was thinking about it today. He easily lifts us up and holds us in place with his dark magic whilst they steal our hard-earned key...but why does he not just flick his wrist and send us flying off this tiny flying island's edge?

To my understanding, it's doubtable that Cid would have been able to come to our rescue while falling since he was towing the aforementioned island. I don't think we could have summoned a flying mount while falling since you can't summon a mount whilst jumping or falling in the overworld. I suppose you could argue we could teleport since we can do that in the air now, though we still can't do that while falling from, say, a cliff.

Again, it just sort of seems like it would have been an easy thing within this Ascian's power to do...even if he wasn't sure it'd actually kill us, it'd get us out of the way for a bit. I know there's a thousand "what ifs" but I just thought this one was kind of fun since it just came to mind. Were there any other obvious kill-shots the Ascian's haven't taken at us yet that maybe I just don't remember? Curious to hear what you guys think on it!

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im sure there have been plenty of times but i imagine (going off what nabrialis said about not killing minfilia) that they are afraid of elidibus going "ELIDIBUS SMASH" on them...

It's just a generic japanese cliché when the bad guy TP next to the hero, do his evil thingy and run away while the hero do nothing.

Remind me of Fire emblem Blazing Sword, and Ephidel kidnapping Ninian in the middle of our army while everyone watch...

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

im sure there have been plenty of times but i imagine (going off what nabrialis said about not killing minfilia) that they are afraid of elidibus going "ELIDIBUS SMASH" on them...

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Ah! That's true. I had forgotten about that part. That very well may be the case!

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Originally Posted by Hypie

You misunderstand- We cant summon our Gryphon while running/falling because it's Mechanic Bound. In a Cutszene there are whole other Laws active such as summoning your trusty Gryphon/Chocobo. Same with Teleporting to the nearest Aetheryt.

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Ah, I understand where you're coming from. The way I always thought of it was that we couldn't teleport while falling or running because the Teleport Spell takes quite a bit of concentration, and you'd have to be in a still, safe place before attempting it. Which is why we can't port while in combat or skydiving haha. With mounts I just assumed it was something similar, since you can't summon them in battle either; it just needs to be a "safe" place to bring them out.

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Originally Posted by CodeCass

I don't think we could have summoned a flying mount while falling since you can't summon a mount whilst jumping or falling in the overworld.

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If only we could do this in 14 one day it would so cool :D

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

they are afraid of elidibus going "ELIDIBUS SMASH" on them...

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Hm true, Elidibus does want to keep us alive for some reason, even though he then calls

The Warrior of Darkness

to take care of us. Make up your mind buddy!

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Originally Posted by Talia_Hailwind

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FF10 <3

If only we could do this in 14 one day it would so cool :D

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I just had this vision of a SMN summoning Garuda to replicate this scene....only the Egi is too small and we just slam into it, taking it with us!

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Originally Posted by CodeCass

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the ascian did say that we were actively resisting their hold. maybe the blessing kept them from killing us completely?

or maybe they just want us alive. like someone else said..."Elidibus smash"

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Originally Posted by lololink

It's just a generic japanese cliché when the bad guy TP next to the hero, do his evil thingy and run away while the hero do nothing.

Remind me of Fire emblem Blazing Sword, and Ephidel kidnapping Ninian in the middle of our army while everyone watch...

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ugh, don't remind me.

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Originally Posted by dragonflie

Hm true, Elidibus does want to keep us alive for some reason, even though he then calls

The Warrior of Darkness

to take care of us. Make up your mind buddy!

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I don't know if he wants us dead still. The WoD may be called on to capture us, not kill us. Or to provide enough of a distraction that Elidibus can do his thing

It's not so much villainous clichés (though that's definitely a part of it), but all the Ascians we've met so far are overwhelmingly arrogant. Even Elidibus, in his own way.

Igeyorhm simply felt like we weren't worth the time or effort to actually kill. It's not until we regain our blessing and are so powerful within it that they realize letting us live was probably not a very prudent decision.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

I don't know if he wants us dead still. The WoD may be called on to capture us, not kill us. Or to provide enough of a distraction that Elidibus can do his thing

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He certainly needs us for something, he has mentionned that we are the Key for whatever he is doing.
I do see that WoD might be there to make sure we aren't TOO strong for what Eli wants us to do.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

I don't know if he wants us dead still. The WoD may be called on to capture us, not kill us. Or to provide enough of a distraction that Elidibus can do his thing

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I think he wants to prolong the conflict, so the chaos can continue to feed Zodiark. He seems to think the other Ascians are acting to fast, maybe he knows Zodiark needs more power before he can be reborn.

The WoD seems like the tool to provide a counter to us.

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

im sure there have been plenty of times but i imagine (going off what nabrialis said about not killing minfilia) that they are afraid of elidibus going "ELIDIBUS SMASH" on them...

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But would Elidibus care? The Ascians all seem to have their own goals for the Warrior of Light, and I'm sure if we were to die we would be less of a thorn in his side as much as every other Ascian. Then again, even though he was introduced fairly early on, his goals are still a mystery.

As for the OP, it kind of bothered me too. Especially since they kept us alive there, and later at the Research Facility, they are all like 'YOU'VE GROWN TOO STRONG. DIE!" I can understand they weren't expecting for us to regain the blessing, but if I was a villain, I wouldn't take chances and clear the bases when I got the chance.

Back to point one, I feel like the Ascians really can't make up their minds on what they want to do with us. Hopefully with the three Leeroy Jenkins' gone, Elidibus can take charge and the Ascians can have a single, clear cut goal on what they want to do.

Bind spells are not known for their resilience.

iirc, we are not near any edges of the island. Perhaps whatever knockback spell she had wouldn't be as effective against a resisting opponent?

I gather though its mostly storytelling and the ascians' confidence in their immortality. A barking dog chained up is annoying, but you don't expect it to kill you, right?

What's more weird is that she can bind us as if it were nothing while we kicked Nabriales' ass without any crystal...

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Originally Posted by lololink

What's more weird is that she can bind us as if it were nothing while we kicked Nabriales' ass without any crystal...

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To be fair, we were still weak and probably tired from fighting Bismarck. The best we could have done was try to keep the key out of their hands and that ended up working about as well as you'd expect it to.

She just managed to catch us in a situation where we were off-guard.

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Originally Posted by lololink

What's more weird is that she can bind us as if it were nothing while we kicked Nabriales' ass without any crystal...

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I hadn't thought about that, but you make a good point. Not to mention we've grown in power since our encounter with Nabriales....

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

To be fair, we were still weak and probably tired from fighting Bismarck. The best we could have done was try to keep the key out of their hands and that ended up working about as well as you'd expect it to.

She just managed to catch us in a situation where we were off-guard.

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Well that would explain it!

I am of the opinion that they're somehow "contractually obligated" to not harm/ kill people of Hydaelyn (the planet/world they're in). Kinda like how Nabriales went all out when he learned the WoL didn't have the Blessing anymore.

That and he was repeatedly "warning" Moenbryda to not harm him, but she attacked and Nabriales killed her in "self defense"

Because he never googled the "100 things i'd do as an evil overlord" topic...

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Originally Posted by Erudain

Because he never googled the "100 things i'd do as an evil overlord" topic...

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Oh, you mean this list then:
http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html

Yeah, I wish the Ascians as a whole just followed that list more...that would spare us from the usual evil organization clichés ("Impossible!", "You would rise a hand against us?!", "Mwahahah!", etc.) they have going right now.

...Except from Elidibus, obviously.
He seems like he's the most mature/smartest of the bunch.

Maybe it used everything she had to bind us, and she putted a front as to seem it was too ez.

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Originally Posted by dragonflie

Hm true, Elidibus does want to keep us alive for some reason, even though he then calls

The Warrior of Darkness

to take care of us. Make up your mind buddy!

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This may be a spoiler, so alerting. As for Elidibus us needing us for something but then calls on the WOD, remember what the Arche Bishop saw in us before he came to an end. He saw us as a WOD, though he did not know or understand what that was. He just saw us as dark. The person who stood before him on the moon, was the very same WOL that was in the 2.0 trailer. I believe he was a stand in for all adventurers (WOL). I believe that we are the wod or one side of us that we haven't become aware of yet.

As for our characters becoming primals, we have become stronger them it seems. Also we have become far more powerful then we ought to, Elidibus states that as well. The problem with power and that much power, it can cause even the most pure of thought to be corrupted by it. I would not be surprised if we were turning to the dark side. I find it interesting that after we defeat the Holy See, both Y'shotla and Alphinaud seem to brush off our victory as if it were nothing. Just another day at the office. It seems they are blind to the incredible power we have. I do not think that Elidibus is blind to how he can use us to his advantage. It could be we aren't aware yet that we are becoming a wod. My theory is that Elidibus is sending what Warriors of Dark he has, not to kill us, but to influence us to his side, to embracing the wod inside us?

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Originally Posted by Lainmyst

This may be a spoiler, so alerting. As for Elidibus us needing us for something but then calls on the WOD, remember what the Arche Bishop saw in us before he came to an end. He saw us as a WOD, though he did not know or understand what that was. He just saw us as dark. The person who stood before him on the moon, was the very same WOL that was in the 2.0 trailer. I believe he was a stand in for all adventurers (WOL). I believe that we are the wod or one side of us that we haven't become aware of yet.

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A full party required dungeon, that is actually two light parties that see the other as the WOD's crew, and must face them as a dungeon boss , winner goes on to WoD, loser goes on to a different boss?

As far as Elidibus, i think he sees a use in the main character, but we aren't exactly a tool he can control. Either that or his role among the ascians is different. Zodiark's defensive team?

Its speculation, but i do think there may be something amiss with us.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

A full party required dungeon, that is actually two light parties that see the other as the WOD's crew, and must face them as a dungeon boss :) .

As far as Elidibus, i think he sees a use in the main character, but we aren't exactly a tool he can control. Either that or his role among the ascians is different. Zodiark's defensive team?

Its speculation, but i do think there may be something amiss with us.

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Hmm that is possible, we will see how SE handles this. As far as Elidibus is concerned if you remember back to our first meeting with him, I think it was the 2.1 story? He said he thought we would come around to his view at some point. ( I plan to go back and watch that cutscene, will post a quote from him to make sure my memory is accurate.) It seems he would rather have us on his side. He may feel it is possible to influence us over to becoming WOD.

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Originally Posted by dragonflie

He certainly needs us for something, he has mentionned that we are the Key for whatever he is doing.
I do see that WoD might be there to make sure we aren't TOO strong for what Eli wants us to do.

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Calling it. The story is gonna be a rehash of the Majin Buu saga from DBZ. The energy of the WoL and the WoD clashing is gonna awaken Zodiark.

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Originally Posted by lololink

It's just a generic japanese cliché when the bad guy TP next to the hero, do his evil thingy and run away while the hero do nothing.

Remind me of Fire emblem Blazing Sword, and Ephidel kidnapping Ninian in the middle of our army while everyone watch...

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What puzzles me is why you think this is a Japanese thing specifically. There are more than a ton of non-JP villains who failed to read the Evil Overlord list too; not that it doesn't happen a lot, just seems weird to single them out.

Igeyorhm directly references our partially restored Blessing of Light at that point so I was under the impression the extent of her power over us was just barely enough to restrain us...

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Igeyorhm directly references our partially restored Blessing of Light at that point so I was under the impression the extent of her power over us was just barely enough to restrain us...

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I feel like she underestimated us there. "Oh, the WoL has regained a tiny bit of the Blessing. Better restrain them, but they won't be able to stop us as they are now, so I'll leave them here".

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Originally Posted by Jacien

Calling it. The story is gonna be a rehash of the Majin Buu saga from DBZ. The energy of the WoL and the WoD clashing is gonna awaken Zodiark.

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And I would be stoked for this!