(Spoilers) Poison In The Wine

I have seen this in countless stories before and have never really questioned it before. But is it really possible for some one to fall over dead a few seconds after drinking something with poison in it? It's a good story writing device but might be bad if it's not really feasible.

It would depend on the poison really, much like venom can kill in seconds upon injection. However I have very minimal information on poisons.

I wouldn't know but I'm sure there's something out there that can take you down quick. If anything, maybe a high dose of adrenaline that makes your heart stop. That isn't really poison but could be administered in the same way.

Concentrated doses of certain kinds of poisons could, though throughout history, arsenic was the most common poison used on people and was often placed in their drinks or food. However, it didn't have the dramatic effect often depicted and the victim would become violently ill, sometimes for hours before death.

The unusual thing about Nanamo's poisoning was that it was a sleep poison and I don't understand why she had such a violent reaction to it rather than just becoming really tired and passing out.

Saxitoxin, Phenol, conotoxins, propofol, Sodium Thiopental.

Have a nice death.
All act within 1-3 mins and your dead.

The thing is though we are not dealing with real life here. Substances can and do exist in a Fantasy world. Also, further spoiler:

She didn't die, it was just an extreme sedative to give the illusion of death, again Fantasy world so anything is possible.

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and as the resulting questline in Heavensward that resolved the whole situation mentioned, everything happened so fast we didn't even get the chance to even confirm she really was dead - given the fact we had barely risen from our seat when Teledji and the Brass Blades burst into the room and promptly arrested us before we could check Nanamo for any sign of life (this was also why Ilberd bared Raubahn from seeing Nanamo's body - that would have blown the whole scam). The substance used on Nanamo merely needed to put her into a deep long-term slumber that could be mistaken for death on a cursory examination - the ALC Guild was clearly invloved so it would have been relatively easy for them to come up with such a potion.

And remember, the staged assassination was really all just a means to an end - an extended Batman Gambit designed by Lolorito to eliminate Teledji without having any suspicion falling back on him - having our reputation destroyed and the Scions scattered was 'collateral damage' to him

Hence why I hate Lolorito even more now. :p

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

It would depend on the poison really, much like venom can kill in seconds upon injection. However I have very minimal information on poisons.

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Well injecting puts it directly into the blood stream, hence the extrememly fast reaction due to how fast blood travels in the body. Orally ingested poisons, the time of effect can vary depending on things like the contents of your stomach. Full and it would take longer to be absorbed.

Bu as another poster put below me, it is a fantasy world with magic. So anything within the writers imagination and the laws of the fantasy world are possible. Even fantasy worlds have their own version of "laws of nature/science" otherwise they turn into a mess XD

Reminder that things like cyanide suicide pills exist in real life and kill extremely fast. I don't think the poison in the wine scenario is unrealistic.

Also Nanamo's dramatic reaction is totally understandable - it's not like she knew it was a sedative. I know I would panic the hell out if I drank something and immediately felt my body stop working.

There also poisons that constrict the throat rather rapidly, so sometimes its not poison in your bloodstream that kills you, it just causes you to suffocate. Hell, even anaphylactic shock can hit ridiculously quickly after even a nibble/sip of an allergen.

Taken from Romeo and Juliet story :)

You forget about Iocaine powder!

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Exactly -

and as the resulting questline in Heavensward that resolved the whole situation mentioned, everything happened so fast we didn't even get the chance to even confirm she really was dead - given the fact we had barely risen from our seat when Teledji and the Brass Blades burst into the room and promptly arrested us before we could check Nanamo for any sign of life (this was also why Ilberd bared Raubahn from seeing Nanamo's body - that would have blown the whole scam). The substance used on Nanamo merely needed to put her into a deep long-term slumber that could be mistaken for death on a cursory examination - the ALC Guild was clearly invloved so it would have been relatively easy for them to come up with such a potion.

And remember, the staged assassination was really all just a means to an end - an extended Batman Gambit designed by Lolorito to eliminate Teledji without having any suspicion falling back on him - having our reputation destroyed and the Scions scattered was 'collateral damage' to him

Hence why I hate Lolorito even more now. :p

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Actually, Im not sure about that.

Notice that he made no move to wake the Sultana even though he could till Raubahn returned. Further, He could have avoided scattering the Scions if he wanted to with a few well placed words. He could have easily arranged for the Scions to escape as well.

Its telling he suddenly makes amends when he gains information that the Garleans have constructed a new flagship. Suddenly Raubahn and the Scions are valuable to him again rather than the annoyance they were before. You can also bet your bottom dollar Lolorito shored up his hold on power while he held the top position.

No I think what happened to the Scions wasn't collateral but intentional. Unfortunately the little bugger seems to have gotten away with it.

There's no real word, ingested poison that will kill you in seconds, like we often see on TV. The fastest is arguably cyanide, working in a few minutes.

However, there are injected poisons that will.

Furthermore, this is fantasy. There may be super deadly ingested poisons we don't have in reality.

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Originally Posted by Matrinka

You forget about Iocaine powder!

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Inconceivable!

In a world of magic and dragons are we really questioning how fast a poison works?

Nanamo drank a potent poisoning potion (HQ).

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Originally Posted by Sylentmana

Concentrated doses of certain kinds of poisons could, though throughout history, arsenic was the most common poison used on people and was often placed in their drinks or food. However, it didn't have the dramatic effect often depicted and the victim would become violently ill, sometimes for hours before death.
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Zombies.. They are mostly believed to be the result of a concoction that will shock the body in to a death like coma with similar symptoms running up to appearing dead. It would explain a lot of the things that are said to be done from digging it up shortly after burial through the revival/enslavement process. However, despite a book or two and several accounts by victims. Science has not been able to replicate or produce anything close to "Zombie juice".

In the case of Nanamo, that is more likely just added drama. Even in fairy tales, they all go to sleep from some kind of poisonous object, but not with all the overacting.

"See, I'll myself a glass too. There's nothing in the wine I promise."
Never Poison the wine, ammeter. Poison the lining of the cup.

Oh my Queen ... you're not even dead but ppl here already become detective/docter trying to autopsy you ...
This is a game,not goddamn CSI or X-Files series.

Please just don't bring this up,we had already witnessed her suffering right in front of us.

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Originally Posted by Matrinka

You forget about Iocaine powder!

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Ha! Inconceivable!

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Actually, Im not sure about that.

Notice that he made no move to wake the Sultana even though he could till Raubahn returned. Further, He could have avoided scattering the Scions if he wanted to with a few well placed words. He could have easily arranged for the Scions to escape as well.

Its telling he suddenly makes amends when he gains information that the Garleans have constructed a new flagship. Suddenly Raubahn and the Scions are valuable to him again rather than the annoyance they were before. You can also bet your bottom dollar Lolorito shored up his hold on power while he held the top position.

No I think what happened to the Scions wasn't collateral but intentional. Unfortunately the little bugger seems to have gotten away with it.

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I was admittedly disappointed that Rauban didn't just cut him down on the spot.

Hopefully he gets his comeuppance before the end of HW.

Please.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

Reminder that things like cyanide suicide pills exist in real life and kill extremely fast. I don't think the poison in the wine scenario is unrealistic.

Also Nanamo's dramatic reaction is totally understandable - it's not like she knew it was a sedative. I know I would panic the hell out if I drank something and immediately felt my body stop working.

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You mean like Absinthe? XD

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

You mean like Absinthe? XD

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Absinthe only has that effect if you drink it straight from the bottle.

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Originally Posted by kanjitai

I have seen this in countless stories before and have never really questioned it before. But is it really possible for some one to fall over dead a few seconds after drinking something with poison in it? It's a good story writing device but might be bad if it's not really feasible.

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In regard to the storytelling part of it, continue the storyline and you may find your answer. I can't really say much more without SPOILERSSSSSSS!

As for poisons in general, I'm pretty sure there are some that have instant effects, even if it is initially just paralysis followed by death soon after.

There was an interesting lore nugget buried in that plot. Dunesfolk have a habit of putting trace amounts of poisons and venoms in their tea so that they build up a tolerance to them. It is a cultural habit that developed due to living in desert regions with high quantities of poisonous animals.