Some information about Ratatoskr

After doing some moogle quest in the Churning Mists, I came across Moogle archeologists and here's their finding:

http://i.imgur.com/ckdJCthh.jpg?1
(sorry for the popoto quality)

But from this quest we can learn abit more about Ratatoskr:
1. She had a palace similar to Zenith in the Churning Mist. This suggests and maybe confirms that she resided in Eorzea along with Nidhogg and Hraesvalgr

2. The Skylords of Churning Mists might be all that remains of Ratatoskr's brood

Speculation: The sense of dread the moogle feel might be due to the possibility that this was where Ratatoskr was slain

Huh! Well that's certainly interesting. Where at did you find that in the Churning Mists?

I was going to bring this up in another thread, but someone was currently working on the quests. I skipped through a lot of the Moogle quests, but not these ones, and was glad I didn't.

Its good info, at some point it also talks about how Nidhogg went mad and tried to destroy all the buildings that were a testament to human and dragon peace.

The above quotes are from the quests at Tharl Oom Khash. I wish I paid more attention to the ones at The Rookery(correct me if I'm wrong, but this looks to be the place the Knights met after slaying Nidhogg) . Also I don't remember The House of Letters being mentioned. Lots of interesting places in the mists.

Well we already knew that Ratatoskr lived in Eorzea, because she was killed by King Thordan and his Knights. Also, the skylords are the brood of Hraesvelgr and the landlords and the brood of Nidhogg (unless I have them backwards). The Moogles just don't know any different, so they assume that the dragon who lived there must have been one or the other.

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Originally Posted by RickiFake02

Well we already knew that Ratatoskr lived in Eorzea, because she was killed by King Thordan and his Knights. Also, the skylords are the brood of Hraesvelgr and the landlords and the brood of Nidhogg (unless I have them backwards). The Moogles just don't know any different, so they assume that the dragon who lived there must have been one or the other.

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Isn't landlord just their term for the proto-Ishgardians?

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Isn't landlord just their term for the proto-Ishgardians?

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Given everything we know, this is the case, yeah. Landlords are the race of men and skylords are the race of dragons (even though some dragons don't appear to fly)

I'm curious to see if we'll get to know more about Ratatoskr, as well as what she looked like. Given that her fate was the catalyst of all of Heavensward, we know preciously little about her aside from the fact that she was killed. (Despite which, she was actually the Great Wyrm I felt the most sympathy for, aside from Tiamat.) I'd like to know what she was like, what her personality was and her relationship with mortals.

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Originally Posted by Rocl

Given everything we know, this is the case, yeah. Landlords are the race of men and skylords are the race of dragons (even though some dragons don't appear to fly)

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No, I am pretty certain that landlords and skylords are both dragons. There are even areas of the Churning Mists named after the landlords, and the moogle quests have you fighting landlord dragons who are trying to attack Zenith. I also don't think it has anything to do with whether they can fly or not because many of the landlords do have wings.

Nope, landlords are indeed men.

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Originally Posted by RickiFake02

No, I am pretty certain that landlords and skylords are both dragons. There are even areas of the Churning Mists named after the landlords, and the moogle quests have you fighting landlord dragons who are trying to attack Zenith. I also don't think it has anything to do with whether they can fly or not because many of the landlords do have wings.

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The Churning Mists was home to dragons and mortals before the betrayal. It's made fairly clear in the Moogle quests that the Landlords were the mortal races and the Skylords were the dragons. If you look at all the ruins in the Landlord Colony area you can see they were built for mortal races, whilst the other structures like Zenith are more grandiose and only really accessible to dragons.

When the Moogles refer to the dragons attacking Zenith they simply refer to them as minions of Nidhogg. The Skylord and Landlord terms are historical names for the dragons and men that formed the civilisation millenia ago. If Skylord referred directly to Hraesvelgr's brood as you suggest then why do the moogles in the OP's post refer to Ratatoskr's brood as Skylords?

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Originally Posted by LaurelinKementari

I'm curious to see if we'll get to know more about Ratatoskr, as well as what she looked like. Given that her fate was the catalyst of all of Heavensward, we know preciously little about her aside from the fact that she was killed. (Despite which, she was actually the Great Wyrm I felt the most sympathy for, aside from Tiamat.) I'd like to know what she was like, what her personality was and her relationship with mortals.

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Her relationship with the proto-Ishgardians seems to be the closest of the three wyrms, given the reclusive nature of Hraesvelgr and the apparent mistrust of Nidhogg before the betrayal; I think her base is also the closest to the landlord colony.

Great wyrms are also rather powerful entities, so it is highly likely that King Thordan used her trust of the mortal races to ambush her. I highly doubt that the proto-Ishgardians would have been able to subdue and devour her eyes so easily without some degree of interference from her or her brothers broods; for the betrayal to work, it would require some degree of compliance (or trust) from Ratatoskr; it is likely that they requested a secret meeting or learned from her when she would be most vulnerable, before betraying her.

What I don't understand is: why is there Landlord architecture on Azyz Lla? (the "Cathedral with a high-tech spearhead in it)

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

What I don't understand is: why is there Landlord architecture on Azyz Lla? (the "Cathedral with a high-tech spearhead in it)

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thats a total different thing.

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

What I don't understand is: why is there Landlord architecture on Azyz Lla? (the "Cathedral with a high-tech spearhead in it)

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For one, it could be historical, pre-technological Allagan architecture. Second, it would be impossible for it to be Landlord, as Azys Lla predates the Landlords by Eras. Lastly, it lacks key similarities to the architecture we know to be Landlord such as the very iconic dragon iconography.

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

What I don't understand is: why is there Landlord architecture on Azyz Lla? (the "Cathedral with a high-tech spearhead in it)

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That's Allagan architecture. There are runes/carvings on the rocks which match up almost exactly to the runes/carvings seen throughout the Labyrinth of the Ancients and early parts of Syrcus Tower.

Given there was a museum at Azys Lla (the Fractal Continuum), I wouldn't be surprised to see something historical to their nation as well, although given the Labyrinth of the Ancients and party of Syrcus Tower, they seemed to have a thing for stonework despite their advances. Either way that damned Cathedral shot down my theory about the Twelve, seeing as it seems to be a Cathedral in honor of Azeyma. If I had to put forward a new theory, I'd suggest that the Labyrinth of the Ancients (and this Cathedral) was "of the Ancients" even to the Allag.

I suppose you're right. They did look slightly similar to the Labyrinth of the Ancients when I went there last night.

Oh my, I had no idea that Cathedral was Allagan due to the Azyma symbols all over the place, though I guess it does makes sense due to it being in Azys Lla and the Allagan's reverence to the Sun

I suppose pre-magitek Allagans worshipped azeyma?

You guys are wrong that cathedral event if it mae from stone is a total different thing, thas nothing to do with the syrcus tower or LoA. We dont know what those ruins are but since they have have being over 5000, its clear a possible ancient civilisation even older than the allags,. But guys dont confuse yourselfs those ruins on azysla is a total diferent thing, but is clear not allag.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

You guys are wrong that cathedral event if it mae from stone is a total different thing, thas nothing to do with the syrcus tower or LoA. We dont know what those ruins are but since they have have being over 5000, its clear a possible ancient civilisation even older than the allags,. But guys dont confuse yourselfs those ruins on azysla is a total diferent thing, but is clear not allag.

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I disagree. They seem to me to likely be their ancient, pre-future-tech architecture. It'd be nice to keep around, and moving a religious building up there would be better for morale of the scientists than building just another metallic monstrosity for people to worship inside of.

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

I disagree. They seem to me to likely be their ancient, pre-future-tech architecture. It'd be nice to keep around, and moving a religious building up there would be better for morale of the scientists than building just another metallic monstrosity for people to worship inside of.

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I kinda agree that it could be a monument of their "primitive" days prior to becoming technologically advanced. They had a museum where they displayed their past achievements. I'm pretty sure that they'd atleast preserve some of their historic buildings and display them for tourists (like we modern folks do now).

That or it could be Meracydian in origin and we know that Miqo'te lived there prior to the 5th Astral Era and that it was the Seeker of the Sun that worshipped Azeyma

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Originally Posted by myahele

That or it could be Meracydian in origin and we know that Miqo'te lived there prior to the 5th Astral Era and that it was the Seeker of the Sun that worshipped Azeyma

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Do we really though? Not trying to derail the conversation, but I've seen that 'fact' a lot lately, and I just don't know where it came from. I mean, we know they crossed the sea during the Age of Endless Frost, but do we know from which direction? I'd have thought the ice bridge would be more northward, where melting would take longer and the ice would be thicker, not leading between Eorzea and Meracydia, which we know has a tropical or sub-tropical climate what with jungles and rain-forests described in game.

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

Do we really though? Not trying to derail the conversation, but I've seen that 'fact' a lot lately, and I just don't know where it came from. I mean, we know they crossed the sea during the Age of Endless Frost, but do we know from which direction? I'd have thought the ice bridge would be more northward, where melting would take longer and the ice would be thicker, not leading between Eorzea and Meracydia, which we know has a tropical or sub-tropical climate what with jungles and rain-forests described in game.

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In my previous thread about unused lore-related data files:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...atch-2.5-files

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It is believed the Miqo'te first came to Eorzea during the Fifth Umbral Era, fleeing their ravaged homeland on the southern continent of Meracydia.

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We know that Umbral eras make things crazy and affect climates in many different ways so it would surprise me if these ice bridges extended very far south

I went to the dungeon I didnt see anything that could tell me that is related to those ancient ruins on azys la. Yes I agree is totaly related to LoA and ST, but not to those ruins. Not even that is pretty ancient and build it with stone but also that the may that the building was made, its clearly no way that would have any relation with the kind of allag arquitecture.

So yea I agree could be something related with miqotes, who knows.

Going back to Ratatoskr, the sightseeing log for Tharl Oom Kash implies that was the site where Ratatoskr was slain, and her death is what produced the massive amount of crystallized aether in the area...much like how Tiamat's injured and bleeding presence is probably what is producing all the crystallized aether formations on that island where she is imprisoned.

As for the Cathedral, the Allagans had no religion at all, they only believed in technology. This is stated...hrm, somewhere! I think it was the description of a key item (there's a lot of interesting info on those for those of us who read em). So despite being called the Cathedral, I believe it is something else entirely for the Allagans and was simply called that (by whoever names the places on the map) because of its appearance.

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Originally Posted by Espritduo

Going back to Ratatoskr, the sightseeing log for Tharl Oom Kash implies that was the site where Ratatoskr was slain, and her death is what produced the massive amount of crystallized aether in the area...much like how Tiamat's injured and bleeding presence is probably what is producing all the crystallized aether formations on that island where she is imprisoned.

As for the Cathedral, the Allagans had no religion at all, they only believed in technology. This is stated...hrm, somewhere! I think it was the description of a key item (there's a lot of interesting info on those for those of us who read em). So despite being called the Cathedral, I believe it is something else entirely for the Allagans and was simply called that (by whoever names the places on the map) because of its appearance.

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Well we know the Allagans developed a god complex once they became scientifically advanced so it's entirely possible they did worship something prior to that and then became secular with the advent of science.

It's my personal belief that the four quadrants of Azys Lla once formed a city of some kind. There are a lot of ancient ruins on there besides the cathedral including roads, aqueducts and other temple-like structures. I think this city once housed the Warring Triad at its centre and the Allagans built the Flagship into the ground underneath the Triad for whatever reason and turned it into an artificial floating continent. Notice that unlike the other floating islands we've seen Azys Lla is suspended by technology and not by wind aspected aetheryte.

I wonder if the Triad might be Allagan 'gods' that they eventually turned on, sealed, and usurped the power of. This would mean the Triad were the source of Allagan technology and would explain why they built such a huge research facility around them. A long shot, but the most plausible theory I can think of based on what we know at the moment.

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Originally Posted by LaurelinKementari

I'm curious to see if we'll get to know more about Ratatoskr, as well as what she looked like.

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I suspect she looked like a squirrel.

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Originally Posted by JeniLinsky

I suspect she looked like a squirrel.

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Hmm, well, Hraesvelgr was named after an eagle and has feathers and stuff. So maybe Ratatoskr was fuzzy/furry with a fluffy tail? Hard to use Nidhogg as an aid for apearence since the Mythological one was already a dragon.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

Hmm, well, Hraesvelgr was named after an eagle and has feathers and stuff. So maybe Ratatoskr was fuzzy/furry with a fluffy tail? Hard to use Nidhogg as an aid for apearence since the Mythological one was already a dragon.

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Possible, but I kind of doubt it. We have that stylized picture of her and Thordan from Hraesvelgr's retelling and the concept art of Midgardsormr and his children, and while the latter's obviously not completely reliable, she's not furry there.

http://i.imgur.com/04iBRgK.jpg

She's presumably the one on the right, opposite Tiamat.