Patience II, Precision and Powerful Hookset

The description is pretty vague, and I still haven't figured out what it really does. Does it:

A) increase the probability of getting higher lvl fish (as in good for hunting star fish)

B) bigger chance to get heavier fish

and how big is the increase? I have used tried using it for hunting i70 fish for leveling my cul desynth, but I can't say it's been of any help whatsoever.



Also, what about the different Hooksets, does any of them work on fish released before HW? Recently I failed hooking a vanilla 2 star fish using the powerful hookset, so I figured that the Precision one would work; guess what, it didn't :P. Thanks in advance!

Powerful and Precision Hookset does not increase the gathering rate of the fish instead it just removes the ineffective hooking status which in turn gives you a higher probability of catching a high-quality fish. Some fishes have a high escape rate so even if precision/powerful hookset is used they may still get away. As for Patience 2, i'll try catching illuminati perch later and see if there is a difference in value between patience 1 and 2. If Patience 2 gets a high collectible value then i guess Patience 2 just increase the likely hood of catching a larger sized fish.

The description isn't correct. It doesn't remove the inefficient hooking status. Instead, Powerful/Precision should be used instead of the regular hooking action when trying to catch fish with a heavy tug (powerful) or a light tug (precision) under the effect of Patience.

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Originally Posted by Karen_Cerfrumos

The description isn't correct. It doesn't remove the inefficient hooking status. Instead, Powerful/Precision should be used instead of the regular hooking action when trying to catch fish with a heavy tug (powerful) or a light tug (precision) under the effect of Patience.

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It removes the inefficient hooking status for that particular cast. But yes the tooltip should be improved.

Thanks for the info so far. Looking forward to the results of your research :).

I find these skills very confusing and their description in the tooltips do not explain at all what they do or when I am actually supposed to use them. At first I thought, why would I need a skill that costs GP to remove a debuff that will just wear off in 2 minutes anyway? I assumed that it would also turn off the higher perception buff. What do I know? I'm the highest level fisher in my FC right now, so I'm trying to learn it to teach everyone else.

I just tested Patience/II. There is no noticeable size difference between the fishes caught by those 2. So perhaps, Patience II would be used to catch the big fishes. I think big fishes are labelled as color green like nepto dragon and the others?

hi guy's
which is your stat fish ?
mine is whit food gat 622 -- perc 440 -- gp 600
and in all water from HS i can fish the most word i see is "The Fish Get away "
i'm not sure but i think there is a bug
patience/ II precision hookset powerful hookset don't work well
whit patience II is impossible get some fish always always "The Fish Get Away"
my patience works well but always read in any kind of weather and at any time , my patience ends . I do not mean that I have to catch fish easily legendary but at least I would like to understand the real needs ' to use new skills ' and how to use them
ty everyone have nice day ^^ and good fish ^^
shalice

ps
sorry for my bad english

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Originally Posted by Shalice

hi guy's
which is your stat fish ?
mine is whit food gat 622 -- perc 440 -- gp 600
and in all water from HS i can fish the most word i see is "The Fish Get away "
i'm not sure but i think there is a bug
patience/ II precision hookset powerful hookset don't work well
whit patience II is impossible get some fish always always "The Fish Get Away"
my patience works well but always read in any kind of weather and at any time , my patience ends . I do not mean that I have to catch fish easily legendary but at least I would like to understand the real needs ' to use new skills ' and how to use them
ty everyone have nice day ^^ and good fish ^^
shalice

ps
sorry for my bad english

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I think they're mainly for collectibles or to make mooching easier. For example, the fish shionisaurus needs a double mooch which requires catching an HQ fish then catching yet another HQ I think using Patience/Patience will help make that easier for future fishes.

Definitely good for mooching, and very nice for that purpose. Let's assume a fish normally has a 15% chance of HQ. With Patience on, that HQ chance raises to 55%, but you lose half of the fish you try to catch. However, when you do the math, that means that you catch 27.5% HQ fish in the same amount of time that you previously would have caught 15% HQ fish - a significant improvement! As a bonus, the fish that you mooch will ALSO be more likely to be HQ, and also more likely to get away. The Hookset abilities remove that extra chance to get away, provided you use the correct Hookset on the type of fish you catch.

Patience II, though, I'm not sure I understand the utility. You get a 80% extra HQ chance, for a total of 95%, but have an 75% chance to lose your fish. You only catch one out of every four fish. The math here leaves you with... 23.75% HQ fish caught over time, which is less than you get with Patience. Perhaps it is intended to be used with double mooching, since the fish you catch are virtually guaranteed to be HQ? The high cost of the ability makes me wonder, though, since you'd need to Hookset twice on top of the cost of Patience II; you'd likely only get the opportunity to double mooch once over the duration of the ability.

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Originally Posted by Flinx

I just tested Patience/II. There is no noticeable size difference between the fishes caught by those 2. So perhaps, Patience II would be used to catch the big fishes. I think big fishes are labelled as color green like nepto dragon and the others?

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Ok, thanks. Now the question is how much the increase is :).

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Originally Posted by Karen_Cerfrumos

..instead of the regular hooking action when trying to catch fish with a heavy tug (powerful) or a light tug (precision) under the effect of Patience.

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I don't think this is correct, I catch Thaliak Caiman all the time on Precision, and that definitely a heavy tug... I'm not really sure what the difference really is between the 2, but I have tested the heavy/light tug concept

Patience I / II : Increases HQ chance, while reducing success of catching a fish by 40% (Inefficient Hooking).

You can use that, and just normally keep fishing. Just means Fish are 40% more likely to get away (while having higher HQ chance).

Now 'Powerful Hookset' and 'Precision Hookset' negate the 'Inefficient Hooking' for the one pull they are used on, -if- it's the right skill for the Fish.

Usually Powerful is for big/heavy fish and thus strong tugs, while Precision is for smaller fish and thus light tugs.

The Fish can still be caught even if you use the wrong hookset - just has 40% extra chance to get away.
(Some people also say that inefficient hooking doesn't matter if your gathering stat is far above the fish, but I'm not sure about this.)

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Originally Posted by Chyro

Patience I / II : Increases HQ chance, while reducing success of catching a fish by 40% (Inefficient Hooking).

You can use that, and just normally keep fishing. Just means Fish are 40% more likely to get away (while having higher HQ chance).

Now 'Powerful Hookset' and 'Precision Hookset' negate the 'Inefficient Hooking' for the one pull they are used on, -if- it's the right skill for the Fish.

Usually Powerful is for big/heavy fish and thus strong tugs, while Precision is for smaller fish and thus light tugs.

The Fish can still be caught even if you use the wrong hookset - just has 40% extra chance to get away.
(Some people also say that inefficient hooking doesn't matter if your gathering stat is far above the fish, but I'm not sure about this.)

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Way to pipe in almost one year later. I'm sure the OP will find this very useful. /s

Maybe not the OP, but I found it very useful as I levelled fishing just before the last patch and reading this thread helped me see that I had misunderstood the difference between the two hooksets. That tooltip could do with some revision imo.
So yes, old information for some, but still relevant

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Originally Posted by Odd

Way to pipe in almost one year later. I'm sure the OP will find this very useful. /s

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quite frankly, im glad he commented.

Im new to fishing and his comments were very helpful to me.

Never underestimate an older thread

If on ps4 (or pc with controller) turn on vibrations. If one vibration, precision. If two vibrations, powerful. If earthquake vibrations, powerful. Neat right? :]

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

If on ps4 (or pc with controller) turn on vibrations. If one vibration, precision. If two vibrations, powerful. If earthquake vibrations, powerful. Neat right? :]

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This is nice to know. I've already given up using Patience or Patience II skills, I almost always fail to catch anything when I use Patience or Patience II. I just don't know when to hit Precision or Powerful, I usually always fail and spent my time failing to catch anything until the buff wears off. On rare occasions, I'm able to catch something when I use Hook... do you know if there's a different vibration for Hook as well?

I'm a PS4 player and would like to understand these fish skills better. Thanks!

Hook simply reels in whatever you've caught. Precision and Powerful negate the penalty associated with Patience/Patience2, making them a generally better choice when using either Patience.

General rule of thumb seems to be :
Small vibration : Precision Hookset.
Large vibration : Powerful Hookset.

Medium vibration? Take a wild guess, and try to avoid falling into the 50-50-90 trap.