Dear White Mages

Please, oh please for the love of gods and the sake of your tank's nerves, remove Fluid Aura from your actions bar. Or if you don't want to, at least learn when it's relevant to use it.

I just literaly rage-quitted a DF because of a one-more WHM who did use it almost on cooldown, for absolutely no reason at all. I warned him, but he didn't stop. Yeah I know, this is bad to quit a DF but seriously, f*** off Fluid Aura users.

When your tank stabilize threat and placement, even more if the mobs do large aoe, you godamn have absolutely ZERO reason to Fluid Fuc*** Aura Sh** seriouslyomfgffsiamsomadcopter. It just pisses your tank off, eventually. Like me. Even more when it happens almost every time this tank joins a DF with a WHM in. Yeah, really.

That said, I love you healers. But not everytime.

Edit : also I forgot to mention, but it also annoys melee damage dealers.

Your problem isn't with Fluid Aura, it's with troll White Mages (and Machinists).

Fluid Aura is free dps and, when used right, cast time interuptor.

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Originally Posted by Sirtimid

troll White Mages (and Machinists)

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And Summoners/Arcanists who leave their Garuda-Egi/Emerald Carbuncle on Sic.

Literally the worst. >.<

Only time I have to use Fluid Aura is in low level dungeons. Even then I use it as a return to sender so tanks don't have to chase the odd mob around.

i use it only in soloplay for dmg increase, big mobs wich can't get pushed, to shoot ranged mobs to the tank and when i have aggro from a monster and nobody came to grab it.

Pardon me if I don't immediately believe this story. It sounds like outdated talking points from an elitist forum (overeager replies bringing up SMN and MCH give this away).

Unless the WHM is, as someone else brought up, a troll (not entirely outside the realm of possibility lately) you only need to ask them to refrain from using the ability unless they're in some danger from a wayward enemy.

I use it, but only to interrupt something that cannot be stunned or when tanks just get lazy and don't want to stun something that should be.. by this time, the tank has threat and it just comes running right back.

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Originally Posted by Apeiron

Only time I have to use Fluid Aura is in low level dungeons. Even then I use it as a return to sender so tanks don't have to chase the odd mob around.

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This is the only reason why, in my opinion, it's legit to use Fluid Aura in this particular situation.

For cast interupt, well this is more debatable, since as a PLD, I consider this is one of my own job.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

Pardon me if I don't immediately believe this story.

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Believe me or not, this just happened again. And guess what, I'm actually waiting for the 30m penalty. Yeah, scumbag me I know. But as I said, f*** off. I don't have any more patience regarding this. Really.

I tried to warn and even explain many and many times before, the only thing I get in return was a complete "I don't give a sh** lol", "Stop complaining and do your job noob" and such. Only a few times they understood and stopped.

This may not be your case, but some players seem to think that their DF fellows are their farming bots or minions. Sad but true.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

It sounds like outdated talking points from an elitist forum (overeager replies bringing up SMN and MCH give this away).

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While this is an old gripe, it unfortunately continues to be a thing. Low-level MCHs drive me absolutely insane, however; much more so than any terrible WHM ever has. You don't have to be an elitist to be annoyed when people play badly to the point of it being obstructive.

usualy i only use it to move a mobs towards the tank or to interupt the cast. on big ass mobs also to deal damage.. but than, rarely there are these situations wehere i am thinking: "why the heck can i push back this 20 million tons mountain of a monster?" followed up by a "sumimasen tank-san"

okok and sometimes i just suffer from the fat finger syndrom (in short FFS) as fluid aura is right next to my holy <.<.

It's so rare that I use it, I find it really only handy in the cases where there's a mob on me and the tank doesn't notice. I'll use it to shove it back over to the tank. I have it on my secondary cross bar so it's pretty hard for me to accidentally use it.

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Originally Posted by CycLee

usualy i only use it to move a mobs towards the tank or to interupt the cast. on big ass mobs also to deal damage.. but than, rarely there are these situations wehere i am thinking: "why the heck can i push back this 20 million tons mountain of a monster?" followed up by a "sumimasen tank-san"

okok and sometimes i just suffer from the fat finger syndrom (in short FFS) as fluid aura is right next to my holy <.<.

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Lol FFS does not stand for fat finger syndome, just FYI. It stands for "for f***s sake" lol. Anyway I agree with the OP. As a WHM I really never use Fluid Aura in groups. It's just annoying to people and unnecessary. If you get a mob on you, just do what everyone else does and keep yourself healed while running it back to the tank.

There's nothing wrong with Fluid Auraing for the KO during trash, never mind using it on knockback-immune bosses for the free DPS. However, there's plenty of wrong with using it casually mid-trash (and the same applies for MCHs with Blank - even more so...)

Wasn't Ok in WoW years ago it's not OK now for the same reason. Plus if your doing the DPS part way wrong if you take the time to run UP to the thing only to cast something weaker than stone 1!

I am a WHM and i rarely or not use it at all only sometimes when its a boss just for that 1 free dps since it doesn't pushes bosses away.


I do have this moments when I play as a tank or dps that the whm suddenly uses fluid aura and pushes the mob away from you for no reason than i am like why do you cast fluid aura you didn't even had agro or was in any danger at all

I actually dont mind people pushing back mobs. I sometimes don't see a cast coming and if they did that for the sake of inerruption, i applaud that. As for mch, it adds bind to enemies. I just ignore that target and thank him as it's extra mitigation for an enemy not able to attack... Unless of course if they're ranged. Outside of those scenarios, I'll just shrug it off.

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Originally Posted by Tranquil

There's nothing wrong with Fluid Auraing for the KO during trash, never mind using it on knockback-immune bosses for the free DPS. However, there's plenty of wrong with using it casually mid-trash (and the same applies for MCHs with Blank - even more so...)

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This is how I use it. Free dmg when the enemy is on the verge of dying. It also helps greatly to find out which enemies are immune to the knockback, usually colossus and other large enemies, as well as practically every boss. Sometimes it's also useful to cast it on a ranged enemy like a mage/archer or elemental just to bunch it up with the rest of the mobs the tank is already holding.

Other than those cases, I do have a very short patience for those that use it in a disruptive way when I'm playing mnk or nin

When I play tank it doesnt bother me at all, when I play dps it bothers me if it lowers my dps.

I've learned during leveling to position myself always at the right distance that if a mob gets aggro on me I can fluid aura it straghit to the tank. Generally works great. Outside of that some interrupts and unmovable ones.

Generally speaking, Fluid Aura's actually really valueable. It's a 150 potency attack with a 30s cooldown that doesn't cost us our GCD or a point of MP. I know several White Mages - myself included - who use it regularly because a lot of things are immune to Knockback, which means it's just bonus damage, and hey - if we have the opportunity, free damage, faster fights, bam. Someone else also mentioned its capacity to be used as an Interrupt in certain content or for personal safety/returning a wayward mob to the tank.

That said, on occasion we might slip up and not realise something isn't immune to Knockback, because there's a really random selection of enemies that aren't immune to Knockback... and unfortunately whatever rule you try to come up with to list things that are 'safe' to do it on, there's exceptions - including a large number of bosses. For some reason.

Please forgive WHMs who end up knocking your targets away once in a dungeon by accident. If they keep doing it repeatedly to enemies, then sure, get on their case - but seriously trying to keep track of fourty different dungeons worth of "okay but what is safe to Fluid Aura and what isn't" is a little beyond reasonable expectation.

Dear explicitly angry tank,

<3

Sincerely,
White Mage to be.

Yea have had white mages do this for no reason. I just don't say anything and just sigh.

Not just white mages but like everyone has said it's any job with knock back. Some mobs it doesn't do it to so it's free DPS. Others you may of had a lingering one come over to the healer while healing and I'll push it back into the aoe hell fire. You just got a person who isn't aware of how annoying it could be if not used right. It's not all healers, dps or tanks fault. You get one who feels it is okay to let a scenario be created where the use of knock back attacks is freely used asap. Whether it's a WHM who wants to put out that extra DPS or DPS who thinks the same but doesn't understand once you push it out of the aoe zone it's not helpful.

I've had tanks who let one roam free and hits the dps or healer feeling they will take care of it or it will die. You can run into the aoe near the tank but sometimes situations stop you from doing so. In the end it's just a general understanding of using certain moves in situations.

As people stated most bosses are immune to the knock back, a few low level aren't and if by mistake I happen push one of those away I apologies and that's it. Otherwise I use fluid aura pretty often, to finish mobs, push back mobs to tank, or if the mobs are already near/against a wall, ect. The ability has a lot of use and can make decent damages, you just need to learn when to use it. If you get a whm that use it often the wrong way just explain it to them. I'm personally more mad at MCH who keep using it when the mob is still at 50% hp just to make more dps... >>

Relax. ; p
Not every WHM does this. >_> You probably had a newbie WHM that doesn't understand/oblivious to the problem they cause, or trolls. Most experienced WHMs won't.
Fat finger/mis-clicks don't usually count since it's unintentional and don't usually happen continuously ; p Shit happens.

Only time I use Fluid Aura is if I know something can't be knocked away and use it as extra DPS (Floor 4's forelegs/eye, primals, etc, mostly). Other than that, just for soloing. It's fairly rare for me to use it.

There's been two instances I used Blank on MCH thus far -
Another MCH aggro'd a wandering mob in the hall while a tank was running down a side shoot hall way for a treasure and I knocked it away to give the tank more time to grab it (so, in a defensive way).... and, just recently in low level dungeon, when a tank wasn't holding mobs and things were going after the healer fairly regularly.... and not being picked back up by said tank. So, after it became obvious they weren't/hadn't noticed the stray, and the healer being chewed on - I maneuvered to get an angle to the try to shoot it back to the tank, followed by Foot Graze (and hope the tank actually picks it up). Unfortunately this occurred several times... that was probably the only time I've willingly used Blank so much.

Believe me, I and many other WHMs know the pain of Fluid Aura and Blank by both observation and experience on other classes. *twitchtwitch* MNK positionals, MNK Positionals, GL stacks GL stacks *Twitchttwitch* *Flips table and strangles a particular DF'd MCH*

(Mostly to help round up casting mobs... So many tanks don't know how to LoS mobs...)


That very rare time that Fluid Aura and it's knockback are useful - I live for that. I'll turn to my SO and be like, "SEE HOW USEFUL IT IS!"... and he'll usually glare at me and remind me to remove it from my hotbar... :c
We can change the perspective on our Aqua Cannon! WHMs unite!

Dear white mage fan and over-user of "literally",

I am literally thankful for your kind words, they are very much appreciated, literally.
Since you so kindly asked for advice, I will literally suggest that you please consider using FLASH more often, literally.
White Mages literally use FLUID AURA to pingpong a loose add back to the tank when he literally loses aggro.


Sincerely,

A White Mage, literally.


PS: Perhaps literally try a party with a whitemage and 2 machinists for extra pingpong fun?

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Originally Posted by Serret

Dear white mage fan and over-user of "literally",

I am literally thankful for your kind words, they are very much appreciated, literally.
Since you so kindly asked for advice, I will literally suggest that you please consider using FLASH more often, literally.
White Mages literally use FLUID AURA to pingpong a loose add back to the tank when he literally loses aggro.


Sincerely,

A White Mage, literally.


PS: Perhaps literally try a party with a whitemage and 2 machinists for extra pingpong fun?

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Who exactly are you talking to? There's only one other post on this topic with the word literally in it, and it's one single time..

I literally use this all the time so my dps is higher. I figure... most dps are extremely greedy and eat every aoe possible or ignore mechanics just to improve dps, so why can't i?

Divine seal- medica 2 - regen - asylum. Cleric stance - aero3 - swift cast holy - assize - presence of mind HOLYHOLYFLUIDAURAHOLYHOLY

see white mages have an aoe rotation too. What I specificslly like to do is make sure a bard plays foe req so my deeps is higher, but then again who I am kidding LOL they will never do that cause they're only concerned about themselves.

Oh, if I happen to pull aggro while dpsing Paladins if you do not cover(you know that skill that probably isn't even on half of your hot bars?) me then you have no one to blame but yourself.

If transferred damage is subject to my reductions, sure. But if not, you should've thought twice for ripping hate off PLDs.

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Originally Posted by rawker

If transferred damage is subject to my reductions, sure. But if not, you should've thought twice for ripping hate off PLDs.

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Ur right lol easier just to spam cure 3 and heal everyone to full at the same time :p not often that a tank uses cool downs anyway hahA. RIP aggro when ur healing at nearly 9-10k HP per GCD

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Originally Posted by rawker

I actually dont mind people pushing back mobs. I sometimes don't see a cast coming and if they did that for the sake of inerruption, i applaud that. As for mch, it adds bind to enemies. I just ignore that target and thank him as it's extra mitigation for an enemy not able to attack... Unless of course if they're ranged. Outside of those scenarios, I'll just shrug it off.

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MCH doesn't add bind. Fluid Aura adds bind.

But the root of the problem is most tanks are control freaks. You may deny it but you would rather have a mob wailing on you than one that you can't control. How hard is it to ignore trash even on boss fights where they are dead before you get to them.

I feel op's paid. I raged quit out of a dungeon while leveling PLD for the same reason. The WHM would use Fluid aura, without fail or warning. He let me die 3 times in the first 10 mins of the dungeon because he "got caught up in DPSing"

So no, on trash mobs, unless you as a WHM are in danger because the PLD can't hold hate, there is absolutely no benefit in pissing the tank off just like we don't want tanks pissing us off.

It's a situational skill for sure. If you are just arbitrarily knocking mobs back with it you are going to decrease overall team dps.

I only use it when I know it is a kill shot. Then I say, " Get out of my FACE" as its corpse flys, cuz I'm wierd like that.

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Originally Posted by Blessedbythesun

The WHM would use Fluid aura, without fail or warning. He let me die 3 times in the first 10 mins of the dungeon because he "got caught up in DPSing

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Just because one WHM does it or a certain % doesn't mean you should expect the whole lot of us to suffer because those people do not understand or can play their class to the fullest. Fluid Aura works really well and you can crit it up to 2.2k (at least with my current gear I've seen it crit that). If a WHM is DPSing he or she should use that skill but use it wisely. I agree there is rarely an instance were you need to get a mob off a tank (I only did this a few times because he was squishy and could not take all the hits. I used fluid aura, bound it, then put it to sleep and went back to healing the squishy tank). But yea the point of the story is a lot of people do not experiment or know the full abilities of their class.

The whole issue is pretty much the same with caster carby and Garuda. WHM should learn when to use Fluid Aura and understand that there is no conventional use for it party settings when dealing with mobs susceptible to knock back. At most, it is annoying, at worst it is aggravating when used frequently. By no means am I judging all WHM, because I've seen pretty bad SCH when I have been playing other jobs and even now with AST. This is a player issue, not the job.

I think this thread should be flipped around because if all you are mad at you fluid aura, there's like 100 times more things that tanks do that if piss us off more than we do, like pulling way too big most times and then running to the next pull while we have 10% hp left after using it all to keep your ass alive in your over pull.

10% mp I mean. Can't seem to edit posts from mobile.

I didn't read the thread, just the OP. And based on the OP, I plan to increase my usage of fluid aura from "never" to "frequent"

Cheers