Level 50 Dungeons are pointless besides Law =(

The level 49 dungeon gives 300k experience for completion. Level 51 dungeons give 400k experience for completion. Level 50 dungeons give 0 experience for completion, and 150kish if you duty roulette.

So, what is the point to doing them if you don't have them unlocked and you have a new character?

Appearance Gear?
Nope, the new 52-59 gear is the same gear from the older zones, and they can be dyed! You can cheaply buy full sets for less then 100k gil.

Give Stat Gear?
Nope, the new level 50 main storyline quest gives way better gear now. The gear from these dungeons are worthless.

Experience?
Nope, older and newer dungeons are better. Don't even need to roulette them its a bonus. Plus if you get the older dungeons in the low level que its the experience + the roulette bonus.

Law?
Neverreap and Fractal give 80 Law, and possibility of a bonus. If you do Expert you can get 80+40+80. Whilst the high level que can only give 100 max. You also have to wait longer doing high level ques.

So, even though its not pointless.. Its worse.

Fun?
Well, I love doing them. However I can't because I need to level my alt and doing them is a waste of my time.

I just do not see a point to these dungeons as they are. There is no reason why they don't reward experience. These zones are fun and deserve to be ran, not be worthless content. Please consider this and thank you for reading. =)

I do them cause they are fun, give decent gear for leveling up, and allow me to practice my new compliment of skills.

I will continue to do them and enjoy them while you sulk in a corner, wringing your hands over how to get the most reward for the least effort.

The roulette xp bonus is actually pretty solid.

Doing the roulette for law is still more effective than queueing a 60 dungeon if you've already done your expert roulette (unless you get bonus).

These zones are fun and deserve to be ran, and were ran for quite some time. They had the spotlight and now we've moved on. Now they still have their niche, but yeah they'll always be secondary to the newer content.

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

The roulette xp bonus is actually pretty solid.

Doing the roulette for law is still more effective than queueing a 60 dungeon if you've already done your expert roulette (unless you get bonus).

These zones are fun and deserve to be ran, and were ran for quite some time. They had the spotlight and now we've moved on. Now they still have their niche, but yeah they'll always be secondary to the newer content.

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Not really. It is almost half of what I get from running Aurum Vale. I don't recall the other zones losing their spotlight.

Yeah av gives more exp. It also takes 3x as long as most high dungeons. Every Lv 50 dungeon in 110 cap gear can be done in 10 min. Av takes ages. I'll keep doing my high roulette for exp every day over spamming av thank you very much.

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Originally Posted by Izsha

Yeah av gives more exp. It also takes 3x as long as most high dungeons. Every Lv 50 dungeon in 110 cap gear can be done in 10 min. Av takes ages. I'll keep doing my high roulette for exp every day over spamming av thank you very much.

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What about new players, who need to do several dungeons to even gain access to these dungeons? Its still not much, and AV isn't that bad. You just skip the one named.

They're roulette fodder now, but for me I had to do them for a while to complete the old Zodiac for Glamour, and I don't regret going back to do so.

You forgot minions and materials for furniture.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

I don't recall the other zones losing their spotlight.

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Really? So you still did WP speedruns in 2.2 to farm your tomes? Spammed sastasha nm to grind xp from 35+? There's always been a linear progression to this game.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

AV isn't that bad

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I hope you weren't saying that with a straight face. Only so many times I can stand watching someone get clubbed to death, or pull an entire room of enemies with poison, before I lose my mind.

You already made a topic about this didn't you? Why another one....

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

AV isn't that bad.

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Aw you must be one the lucky ones who werent around when AV had superhigh latency for over 3 months, and it was required to unlock something to get relic.
It took me a month to finally beat it after I hit level 50. With party members dcing every 3 minutes, game stopped for 10seconds. it wasn't possible to eat fruit so you just had to click it and hope you didnt die the 15-20 seconds it took you to actually eat it.

This is the reason I will hate AV forever :c

"Level 50 Dungeons are pointless besides Law"... lol, this title already kills his argument. As long as there's a besides, a but, or an on the other hand, the supposed point is already lost. Don't like the dungeon? Don't do it. Why you're here whining about something that you already point out (in your title no less) has a reason for its continued use is beyond me; besides the fact that these are old dungeons whose usefulness peaked many many months ago.

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Originally Posted by Ceodore

"Level 50 Dungeons are pointless besides Law"... lol, this title already kills his argument. As long as there's a besides, a but, or an on the other hand, the supposed point is already lost. Don't like the dungeon? Don't do it. Why you're here whining about something that you already point out (in your title no less) has a reason for its continued use is beyond me; besides the fact that these are old dungeons whose usefulness peaked many many months ago.

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Why do you expect? The real question is why he even play this game when most of his posts are something he dislikes.
I feel like this most of the time:
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I am simply asking to make improvements upon the game. Thank you for the reply, but seeing as you decided to knit pick one thing from the thread and fail to reply to my other reasons. Really, all your saying is: "ITS FINE!" when its not.

Its not fine, it doesn't make sense and it devalues the content. The content needs experience. End of story.

Use your old thread - you made yesterday
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ard-experience...
Don't need to make a new thread everyday

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

Use your old thread - you made yesterday
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ard-experience...
Don't need to make a new thread everyday

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That thread is different due to the points listed. I actually listed my points in this thread making it quite different now that I have a copy of them down.

The content NEEDS nothing. It's just that you WANT something added to old content. Old content, as I said, had usefulness that peaked many many months ago. In case you also failed to realize, your OP even points out that the level bridge just goes from 47 to 51 from Aurum Vale to Dusk Vigil. Not much of a level bridge. Further, others have pointed out that these dungeons, which are only in the high level roulette, give a nice chunk of EXP if you queue for the class in need. Not the class in need? Then don't run it and do something else for EXP. These dungeons are not suppose to remain relevant. They are old content, many of which were remakes of EVEN OLDER CONTENT. Move on, play something new. Perhaps instead of demanding SE bend to the whims of one self entitled player, you could put that effort into actually leveling via another route. The daily hunts, for one, give about 300k total EXP for all 3 ranks.

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Originally Posted by Ceodore

The content NEEDS nothing. It's just that you WANT something added to old content. Old content, as I said, had usefulness that peaked many many months ago. In case you also failed to realize, your OP even points out that the level bridge just goes from 47 to 51 from Aurum Vale to Dusk Vigil. Not much of a level bridge. Further, others have pointed out that these dungeons, which are only in the high level roulette, give a nice chunk of EXP if you queue for the class in need. Not the class in need? Then don't run it and do something else for EXP. These dungeons are not suppose to remain relevant. They are old content, many of which were remakes of EVEN OLDER CONTENT. Move on, play something new. Perhaps instead of demanding SE bend to the whims of one self entitled player, you could put that effort into actually leveling via another route. The daily hunts, for one, give about 300k total EXP for all 3 ranks.

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49-51.

That is 20 Dungeons that are invalidated. 20 Dungeons, that is almost 2/5th of all the dungeons completely invalidated.

That is "not much content?"

I don't want to go the Guild Wars 2 and remove content from the game. That to me is silly, you don't make worthless content.

I honestly don't care what "others" have pointed out seeing as they are trolling my threads with gifs. They are not winning my heart and mind.

Here you go
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3123416

They should make the reward for low lv roulette unlimited.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

49-51.

That is 20 Dungeons that are invalidated. 20 Dungeons, that is almost 2/5th of all the dungeons completely invalidated.

That is "not much content?"

I don't want to go the Guild Wars 2 and remove content from the game. That to me is silly, you don't make worthless content.

I honestly don't care what "others" have pointed out seeing as they are trolling my threads with gifs. They are not winning my heart and mind.

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20 dungeons that are all the same level. 20 dungeons that were all used for now out dated content. 20 dungeons, 10 of which were remakes of even older dungeons. 20 dungeons that still reward poetics tomes, drop glamour items, crafting items, gil, and 2.0 relic parts (WP). 20 dungeons for one level range, 50-51. 20 dungeons, which are actually just 17 dungeons. Unless you mean raids too? And what about the trials? Why focus just on the 17 dungeons that are out dated, old, 2.0 content? If WP is going to give enough EXP to help level, then T13 should give all the EXP needed to go from 50-60 when you compare the difficulty. The fact is, this stuff is old, even ancient in some cases. It should have been retired entirely IMO, but SE still wants the end game to help those that have just reached 50 progress, so they made this old content still relevant by putting pretty tomes on the roulette for them. If you want your levels handed to you, go play WoW where you can buy your progress all the way to 10 levels below max. It really is just annoying to see the same whiney people here day in and day out with nothing but complaints. Everyone ignores the relatively flawless launch of 3.0, or the interesting mechanics of F1's use of mini, or the new quarantine tactic in F4. Nope, just whine whine whine, gimme this, gimme that, I demand this, I demand that, nag nag nag. The simple answer, if you would be so kind Meryl Streep...

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the Meryl Streep thing is kind of creepy. Reminds me of a guy I know that was a little too obsessed with Bea Arthur.

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Originally Posted by Gunspec

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but the Meryl Streep thing is kind of creepy. Reminds me of a guy I know that was a little too obsessed with Bea Arthur.

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Well, take this into consideration... I'm gay. I run an LGBT FC. I mean, how many gay guys really say they don't like Meryl Streep in this movie?

Bringing up this topic again. Seeing as leveling my second character is such a chore. >_< I really wish we could do the fun level 50 zones.

Would have been nice if the bosses had more than one phase.

I recently complained about this. I'm new the FF14 and hadn't run any of these dungeons. I wanted to unlock the roulette because it was content I hadn't seen and I wasn't keen on running the same two dungeons over and over again for a small gain.

Now I have ran the fifteen high level roulette dungeons and actually enjoyed it. I assumed to begin with that the hard mode versions of these dungeons were like heroics from wow. I was pleasantly surprised when I found out that they were a 'here what happened while you were gone" and some have great lore and fun bosses.

However. I still don't like how I was bottle necked into running all of these to unlock a feature that will typically reward less law. It is actually giving players less incentive play old content and even some of the older players in my FC haven't unlocked their HL roulette.

Games are pointless besides providing entertainment.

Cards!

Adding some new cards to the older dungeons would serve to make them more attractive. A Kraken card from Hullbreaker Isle, perhaps?