Well I was really enjoying this game til I hit 50, finished 2.4 and came to conclusion I needed to do all the primal hards/extremes to finish 2.5 and so forth. I spent a frustrating day yesterday trying to pug whorl eater extreme to no end.
There seems to be a lack on consideration on the developers part as to what new player is to do coming in when the expansion is the place to be. Free companies want to spend time in new content not running ppl through old primals and the people running the hard extreme pugs are in my same boat. Frustrated,unable to progress and I literally cannot do anything else in this game until I complete this long series of hard mode primals
IMO, developers need to consider how a new player is supposed to get through this content in a reasonable manner. It either needs nerfing or the requirements for progression needs to be looked at. I'll give it a few more tries but if I cannot finish these primals soon I'm done and I've been playing less than a month.
New stuck at 50 primals
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07-09-2015, 12:15 AMalunahNew stuck at 50 primals
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07-09-2015, 01:05 AMWerhusky
Hi Isabel,
you dont "need" to finish them but I see your point. I personally am amongst those calling out for a raid and extreme primal roulette to help newer people through it and have my own fun. I used to randomly que extremes alone or with friends but I also admit that I am currently caught in 3.0 contents (and simple shiva ex ques wont pop in 3 hrs).
I think in that case you either should get HW (if you dont have) and play along or pause a bit till the expansion hype lifted. Also imo a FC should help you at those contents no matter what :/ but also our FC paused FC raids last two weeks as people were in HW.
I really hope you get to enjoy the extreme primals because they are fun (GIMME DATT RAIDROULETTE) but maybe you need to wait for the hype to go... -
07-09-2015, 01:12 AMWhiteroom
You only need the hm for the story. Not the extemes. The expansion is still fresh, so you won't have the same crowds running the old primals until.everything settles down. Aside from the odd unsynced for fun group. Right now is probably the worst possible timing to be learning the primal extremes in DF.
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07-09-2015, 01:13 AMalunah
I have HW I can't start it til I finish 2.51 or whatever the last patch is a realm reborn. That's my conundrum I want to start the HW expansion but I can't til I finish the old patches which require the hard extreme modes.
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07-09-2015, 01:14 AMWhiteroomThey do not require the extreme modes.Quote:
Originally Posted by alunah
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07-09-2015, 01:16 AMKuwagamiExtreme modes aren't needed. At all. Just hard modes, which you can go in and roll your face on the keyboard and still win (exaggerating a bit, but not that much)Quote:
Originally Posted by alunah
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07-09-2015, 01:23 AMalunah
Alrighty then I'll keep trudging forward I did the bowl of embers hard so I need the navel and howling eye hard then that's it?
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07-09-2015, 02:33 AMWhiteroomYou will end up doing all of the HM as the story progresses. Other than navel and howling, you will have Moggle, Leviathan, Ramuh, and Shiva. All fairly easy. All of them togeather should take no more than an hour of actual instanced time if you get a half decent group.Quote:
Originally Posted by alunah
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07-09-2015, 04:33 AMalunah
Thanks I had read some in correct information and the way I'm having to back track to find quest to unlock the instances made it confusing.
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07-09-2015, 06:53 AMSecretCrowds
You only need the main story quests. Garuda, Titan and Ifrit hard are not part of msq and are not needed to enter Heavensward. Just do the quests with the msq icons. There is no need to track down any quest.
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07-09-2015, 06:56 AMKuwagami
the triad is needed for some quest in 2.4 iirc. Better safe than sorry in any case, as they are easy to kill nowadays
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07-09-2015, 09:55 AMEnkidoh
Surprisingly, Kuwagami is correct - the final quest of the 2.4 patch story Let Us Cling Together requires Ifrit, Titan and Garuda hard mode battles to be completed in order to be unlocked. I guess as most players who are on Heavensward already completed those fights long ago to gain their relic weapons thus didn't notice that requirement when that quest was added, but there you are.
But yeah, they're pretty easy now (Titan probably would be the only one to give trouble, but even a lot easier to deal with now than he was in the old days *shudders*). -
07-09-2015, 05:53 PMnuyu11
To be honest the only extreme that I have done is Ifrit, Garuda and Titan...
They aren't necessary just follow your MSQ. -
07-09-2015, 08:37 PMAlisiWell, they did allow those of us to queue for the trials daily who hadn't completed the long list of prereq so that was thoughtful of them. It was strange to see that option open for me when HW hit and, when I use it, I only get put into the trials associated with the main story line so I suppose it's working.Quote:
Originally Posted by Werhusky
You don't need any extremes. I finished all the old content on the day of release so it's still fresh in my mind. I haven't even unlocked the three main trials in EM. I can take a screenie if you need further proof. XDQuote:
Originally Posted by alunah
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07-09-2015, 08:52 PMDererkI may be wrong but I'm pretty sure you need those hard modes cleared down the line some where.Quote:
Originally Posted by SecretCrowds
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07-10-2015, 03:29 AMVandril
I think people are confusing the terms for hard mode and extreme mode. I'll lay it simply:
There are only a few normal versions of primals: the first Ifrit, Titan, and Garuda fights for example. These are basically intro trials, and most of them are required for MSQ.
The Hard Mode primals are essentially the normal version for level 50+. Most primal trials don't even have a "normal" version, as these Hard Mode version are their normals. Examples include Leviathan and King Mog. Many of the Hard Mode primals are required for MSQ.
Exreme Mode primals are harder than Hard Mode primals. Not a single Extreme Mode primal is required for MSQ to date and are just side quests.