Alexander Loot is amazing!

Finally, no more Monk/Ninja/Bard loot constantly! Thank you, /ALL/ loot should be like this!

I like how when the community hates something, you love it.
But when the community loves something you hate it.

No more gearing out in 1 run for us Ninjas then? :c

as a mage (healer/caster) the robes are uninspired like most robes

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Originally Posted by Mhikail

I like how when the community hates something, you love it.
But when the community loves something you hate it.

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Even in dungeons it feels like I see endless supplies of melee gear, then some bard/mch gear, caster and tank gear occasionally, and I can go several runs with never seeing a healer drop.

I too welcome this loot system.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Even in dungeons it feels like I see endless supplies of melee gear, then some bard/mch gear, caster and tank gear occasionally, and I can go several runs with never seeing a healer drop.

I too welcome this loot system.

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That's the problem with the fact we have different classifications of loot being weighted equally without regards for composition. You see 'endless supplies of melee gear' becasue NIN, MNK, and DRG are three different armor sets out of seven possible. Whereas healer gear is 1/7. (Technically, every class has 1/7 odds right now of getting what's actually relevant to them, but argh)

I don't even play a caster or healer- and even my almost weekly CT runs- they rarely drop.

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Originally Posted by Mhikail

I like how when the community hates something, you love it.
But when the community loves something you hate it.

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I don't hate the loot system. It's nice to see something different. I'd sooner farm tokens for five weeks than deal with the endless RNG treadmill from previous raids. I still don't have the damn monk gloves from T11.

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

That's the problem with the fact we have different classifications of loot being weighted equally without regards for composition. You see 'endless supplies of melee gear' becasue NIN, MNK, and DRG are three different armor sets out of seven possible. Whereas healer gear is 1/7. (Technically, every class has 1/7 odds right now of getting what's actually relevant to them, but argh)

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So... do you like the new loot sistem?...

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Even in dungeons it feels like I see endless supplies of melee gear, then some bard/mch gear, caster and tank gear occasionally, and I can go several runs with never seeing a healer drop.

I too welcome this loot system.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I don't hate the loot system. It's nice to see something different. I'd sooner farm tokens for five weeks than deal with the endless RNG treadmill from previous raids. I still don't have the damn monk gloves from T11.

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This was purely directed to Negative Nektulos. He's pretty known to be a downer.
Anyways I know how you feel.
Havin' not seen BLM chest drop...ever...literally, not once regardless of my job is insanity in WoD.
Couldn't take it. Now in 3.0 all I see is NIN/MNK crap. Angers me to no end.
I hope it's as good as you say.

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

That's the problem with the fact we have different classifications of loot being weighted equally without regards for composition. You see 'endless supplies of melee gear' becasue NIN, MNK, and DRG are three different armor sets out of seven possible. Whereas healer gear is 1/7. (Technically, every class has 1/7 odds right now of getting what's actually relevant to them, but argh)

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Right. I understand it's just true RNG and my experiences are just apophenia and such. But even so, the new loot system addresses it... it basically puts a severe limiter on how much RNG can screw you, and a run with friends/static eliminates even that.

Although I'm not sure why all melee need to have their own gear sets, while DoM and tanks... and now brds/mch, share.

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Originally Posted by Zata

So... do you like the new loot sistem?...

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Right. I understand it's just true RNG and my experiences are just apophenia and such. But even so, the new loot system addresses it... it basically puts a severe limiter on how much RNG can screw you, and a run with friends/static eliminates even that.

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Basically this. I'm sure someone's going to run into frustration trying to get their body piece tokens or something but this straight up removes a lot of the competition and RNG-related irritation. Not all of it, but enough.

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Originally Posted by myahele

as a mage (healer/caster) the robes are uninspired like most robes

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I agree!
I will do them all once so I have them cleared but will probably not go for the gear cause they are awful. Too many robes in this new expansion imo

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

I agree!
I will do them all once so I have them cleared but will probably not go for the gear cause they are awful. Too many robes in this new expansion imo

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Not to mention skirts kilts. Wish we had a little more variety...

Could we get some healer gear that looks, I don't know, like this or something?

http://i.imgur.com/djIUnA8.png

I am amazed to see all the post whining and complaining about the new loot system, considering there is a whole week to get the tokens before next reset, and how each item has their unique token (not the same token for all) and each player can only get 1 token per turn. I truly don't see why people are complaining so much, not even 24h has passed since the raid is out and everyone wants to have all tokens for their weekly allowance.

I assume they preferred the old system where some unlucky player could be weeks in a row without getting 1 single drop.

Finally a fair system, no complains from my side, some people just need to learn to be more patient.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Not to mention skirts kilts. Wish we had a little more variety...

Could we get some healer gear that looks, I don't know, like this or something?

http://i.imgur.com/djIUnA8.png

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Yeah, what's most baffling is that the Law caster/healer gear has a body piece that's a robe ... yet the legs piece is a skirt? You're basically wearing a skirt underneath a skirt.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Yeah, what's most baffling is that the Law caster/healer gear has a body piece that's a robe ... yet the legs piece is a skirt? You're basically wearing a skirt underneath a skirt.

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We~ell.... I actually created a thread asking for hakama once, thinking it would go well with yukata, so I can't really complain on that count. xD I was kinda hoping for the other style of hakama but, oh well.

But, the Sharlayan Preceptor set? It has this kind of late 1800s/early 1900s feel to it and I really like it. But... why a "longkilt"? A set of dapper trousers would have gone with it so perfectly...

People do realize it's not much different? Bad luck on drops or rolls is still bad luck on drops or rolls. Prior to this you may not see your item drop but likewise after this you may never win a roll on what does drop. Statistics might dictate you have a better chance but reality is not quite so fortunate as to always follow statistical norms and your luck might still keep you farming for just as long or even what might feel like forever just to win a single roll on something unlike for example the new EX modes which guarantee a token for each win that builds up in case of seriously bad luck. Personally I am not going to get my knickers in a twist over RNG is RNG just yet as it still applies equally to the new system as did with the old but I do dislike people thinking everything will be hills alive with sound of music based on Alexander's loot system.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

People do realize it's not much different? Bad luck on drops or rolls is still bad luck on drops or rolls. Prior to this you may not see your item drop but likewise after this you may never win a roll on what does drop. Maths might dictate you have a better chance but reality is not quite so fortunate as to always follow statistical norms and your luck might still keep you farming for just as long or even forever just to win a single roll on something unlike for example the new EX modes which guarantee a token for each win that builds up in case of seriously bad luck.

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Yes but with a run of friends/FCmates/static etc, in this new system you're guaranteed a drop. In the old system, you can farm with fully geared friends that have all pieces all night and you still might never see the piece you're looking for.

With pugs/DF, your chances are at least much improved.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

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If you join a farm party you could run it 4 times (at best, maybe a little more if no one needs some tokens), and then everyone would get their token. Still very much doable without a static. :D

All this system did was trade one set of problems with a new set of problems. Two months to get a chest piece for a second job? People find this acceptable?

I really don't find this system any better than the previous system. All they had to do was adopt the primal EX system and it would have resolved all of the loot system issues.

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Originally Posted by Ladon

All they had to do was adopt the primal EX system and it would have resolved all of the loot system issues.

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For all we know, that's what Alex Savage will do. They've said it won't be the same as Alex Normal anyways.

It would be nice if they dropped the loot lockout when savage mode hits rather than months down the line but somehow I don't see them doing that.

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Originally Posted by Ladon

All this system did was trade one set of problems with a new set of problems. Two months to get a chest piece for a second job? People find this acceptable?

I really don't find this system any better than the previous system. All they had to do was adopt the primal EX system and it would have resolved all of the loot system issues.

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Correct me if im wrong but with weekly Ct runs wouldn't have taken longer to fully gear your second job.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

It would be nice if they dropped the loot lockout when savage mode hits rather than months down the line but somehow I don't see them doing that.

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Well... this seems to essentially be a middle ground between Coil and CT (which many of us have been asking for), both of which have weekly lockout systems. Doesn't make sense to remove it while the gear is current.

I actually wish for smn and BLM to be separate gear wise like what they did with mnk/nin. I also wish that if they are gonna give casters skirts they would at least have the sense to give them shirts instead of robes. Makes no sense to put a skirt under a robe because you won't ever see the skirt. I like to see the gear I'm wearing not cover it up with a darn robe.

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Originally Posted by Kogasan

I actually wish for smn and BLM to be separate gear wise like what they did with mnk/nin. I also wish that if they are gonna give casters skirts they would at least have the sense to give them shirts instead of robes. Makes no sense to put a skirt under a robe because you won't ever see the skirt. I like to see the gear I'm wearing not cover it up with a darn robe.

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I personally do not like the fact bards and machinists are forced to share the same armour too, not from a stats point but from a visual appearance angle. I haven't seen much in the way of bard armour that suits a gunslinger aka machinist as of yet. The alexander gear set might be better suited to machinist but it looks pretty ugly in my opinion in general no matter if bard or gunslinger. I also still think machinists should of been given dual guns aka gun 'set' loot/gear pieces like how monks and ninjas get such as opposed to single gun. It looks odd to me and makes it less fun or interesting.

On the topic of physical appearance of gear, my biggest gripe is that they ALWAYS make healer and caster gear look exactly the same save the color. Why can't healers and casters get different looking sets?

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

I personally do not like the fact bards and machinists are forced to share the same armour too, not from a stats point but from a visual appearance angle. I haven't seen much in the way of bard armour that suits a gunslinger aka machinist as of yet. The alexander gear set might be better suited to machinist but it looks pretty ugly in my opinion in general no matter if bard or gunslinger. I also still think machinists should of been given dual guns aka gun 'set' loot/gear pieces like how monks and ninjas get such as opposed to single gun. It looks odd to me and makes it less fun or interesting.

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I agree with this, but more on the Ninja side. Why do we always get the obvious recolour of sets (BRD/MCN colours just look so much nicer)? D:

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

On the topic of physical appearance of gear, my biggest gripe is that they ALWAYS make healer and caster gear look exactly the same save the color. Why can't healers and casters get different looking sets?

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I agree. I to wonder why casters and healers basically get the same gear but different colors. It's like they put to much effort in the dow gear and to little effort in the dom gear.

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Originally Posted by myahele

as a mage (healer/caster) the robes are uninspired like most robes

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If there's robe, I always glamour it with Hempen Undershirt. Because robe is no no for muscle :p

Loot system is EXCELLENT, now you can get exactly what you want. Only problem is being outlotted by 7 other players. They should do a weekly quest when you complete all turns, you get 2 tokens or something :) This way, you should get at least one measly item, more if you are able to win all loot on each turn.