So just a quick question. Sorry if this has been asked before or the topic is hiding somewhere I haven't been able to find. Being an Au Ra, how would I justify becoming a Summoner? I haven't delved too far into Heavensward, so I apologize if there is an obvious answer for this later.
It just seems as if they have their own Gods, own beliefs, and that primal entities would really clash with these beliefs. Let alone controlling the essence of said primals. So how would an Au Ra go about becoming a Summoner, and how would they grasp the concepts of it? I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around it, so please by all means come in here and toss all sorts of ideas and evidence around.
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07-07-2015, 06:03 AMChillbroSwagginsAuri Summoners
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07-07-2015, 06:10 AMmyahele
Othard, the place were Aura live, has been said to have summoned primals against the Garleans, not sure if this was before or after their 1st Eorzean invasion.
Yugiri even mentioned that there are beasts similar to Leviathan where she lived. -
07-07-2015, 06:13 AMCilia
We don't know anything about Auri religion. Precious little information on them is given throughout 3.0, and only if you do certain Job quests (WHM, or so I've heard, and DRK).
Either way, we learn that primals aren't really gods, just sentient manifestations of mortal desires powered by aether (their conversion rate is terrible though). Before then, we considered them "false gods," and denounced everything they stand for to the point of going deicide on them.
... the summons of yon SMN class aren't primals, either. They're just tiny little pieces of your own aether. -
07-07-2015, 06:30 AMChillbroSwagginsThis, I didn't know. This definitely adds a different element to the equation. I just started on SMN not too long ago, so this is definitely good information to have, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by myahele
This, I know. As well as the bit about them not being Gods. I get all that. I'm just going off of what I know, and how I think Auri would perceive such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
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07-07-2015, 07:07 AMHivernicaThe ninja quests are about the princess of a doman clan ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
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07-07-2015, 07:57 AMlololinkNot really, there has been a primal in Othard and you are supposedly an adventurer in Eorzea that have defeated Ifrit so you should know about Primals, I don't really see the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChillbroSwaggins
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07-07-2015, 08:31 AMChillbroSwagginsWell that just opens a whole other can of worms when you think about it. So essentially each Au Ra exists in a special bubble of special snowflakeness. I mean, I didn't really have that adventure on my Au Ra since I used a Fantasia, so that thought hadn't even come to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by lololink
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07-07-2015, 08:46 AMDualblade
Except Fantasia's are just a gameplay mechanic, according to the story your character did all the story regardless of what race you are now. Au Ra adventurers are now a thing, just much rarer until recently and mostly in the Ishgard/Dravanian region. As well being that you are in Eorzea instead of somewhere else could be for any reason, form the Garlean invasions to you just...having left. Not like every person has to follow the exact same religon of their culture right?
As well even if the Primals were gods, they aren't the gods of the other five playable races. So I'm not really seein the issue here. -
07-07-2015, 09:57 AMWyrahFhurrst
Well, Summoners do use the Trance system, and the Xaela are quite similar to Mongolians, who entered shamanic trances to commune with their ancestral spirits. As far as summoning the Egis goes, you'd still need to kill primals as normal.
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07-07-2015, 09:58 AMLystAP
There's the Xaela clan that worshipped Dalamud; it could fit in lore-wise that a immigrant following the fall of the lesser moon found out what was really inside and started to dabble into summoning.
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07-07-2015, 10:05 AMChillbroSwaggins
Hm, perhaps I can word this better then. I'm not saying my Au Ra used fantasia, I'm just saying I didn't think of everything that happened to my character up until I had done the change. I completely forgot about all the other garbage I went through during the MSQ because it was so long ago, from a player standpoint. So i never took into account how that story would have looked through the eyes of an Au Ra adventurer. That was on my end.
As for the Gods thing, yet again, I'm not saying the primals are Gods. Let me clear that up. Originally, due to me not knowing about Auri having access to other primals, I would have thought that there would have been some culture clash with the discovery of these primals, and the use of these egis. But now that I know that it wasn't something they had never been exposed to, that frees up some options. That's the kind of info I was searching out, so that I could cook up a better story by understanding more, that's all.
So essentially from what I can map out from what you guys have told me, my Au Ra could have been a fresh adventurer in a new land. Went through the whole warrior of light arc, etc. So I could have become an Arcanist through the Arcanist guild, instead of stumbling across this knowledge by some other means. That certainly clarifies things a bit. I just didn't know how all of this would have played out, outside the realm of the WoL arc. I'm trying to figure out where this would fit an Au Ra within their culture, and if there were any specific ties to other Summoners etc. -
07-07-2015, 10:09 AMChillbroSwagginsTHIS! This is the sort of stuff I was looking for, thank you! Something outside of "Well you are a warrior of light, so that's the reason.".Quote:
Originally Posted by LystAP
So perhaps there may be a family tie, or tribal ritual practice that had been passed down. I can follow that logic, that does seem like something that could fly.Quote:
Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst
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07-07-2015, 10:21 AMSkypirateQuote:
Originally Posted by Dualblade
So should The Scions still be surprised after yugiri takes off her mask? Does she still even wear a mask anymore now that the race is revealed? -
07-07-2015, 10:25 AMDualbladeThat is something to ask SE, I haven't gone back to the Inn to see if they changed it up in the cutscenes. I've been meaning too actually, just been having fun with the xpac. That said our character would technically be the only (or one of a VERY few) Auri anything up until Ishgard in Eorzea so even then it could still be somewhat surprising. That said I think the only one actually surprised was Tataru right? The Scions (if they were around) may have/did already guess she was an Auri prior to that, but Tataru may have not. Course she also seemed to be more about the beauty part then anything so even she may have realised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skypirate
Edit: Just watched the first cutscene in Mother of Exiles, she still gives the same reasoning for why she covered up and all that. It may just be because I already went through it I don't know, but I presume they never changed the scene for any Au Ra character. -
07-07-2015, 12:05 PMPArcher
Also, don't forget Odin has something to do with the Au Ra; Zantesuken (sorry about spelling) was acquired from an Auri warrior...
Perhaps the sword (which is the Eikon, according to everything we know about Odin) was a "living god" to one of the forgotten/ancient Xaela tribes... -
07-07-2015, 02:45 PMWyrahFhurrstPerhaps the Noykin? He seems awfully attached to that horse... >.>Quote:
Originally Posted by PArcher
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07-07-2015, 03:40 PMwaifugenerator
Your Aura still did all the things your original character did in 1.0/2.0, so they would've come into contact with Garu/Titan/Iffy. You summon Egi's using the aether that they imprinted on you during the MSQ.
Although this opens up the question of what Egi's the original Allagans summoners summoned? Not gonna spoil anything too much, but Garuda didn't even exist back then, so I wonder what their "common" Primals were. They could've been able to summon Odin, since we know Wiyu died fighting him. -
07-07-2015, 03:50 PMWyrahFhurrstWell, not really. Odin's spirit keeps retreating to Zantetsuken, so he's never fully defeated, which is what keeps a Summoner from summoning an Odin-Egi. Maybe the Belias-Egi we see in the SMN lvl 50 fight was a normal thing back then? I agree, knowing what Egis were in casual usage would be pretty nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by waifugenerator
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07-07-2015, 04:19 PMjomoru
Does little white cloak say Odin isn't a Primal but a true Eikon?
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07-07-2015, 04:44 PMWyrahFhurrstI thought he did, and I'd love to check right now to be sure, but maintenance...Quote:
Originally Posted by jomoru
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07-08-2015, 01:11 PMZohar_LaharHe did say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jomoru