Since they obviously want our abilities to function differently. How about adding a penalty to Scourge that Reprisal had, and making Reprisal a bit different and unique.
Reprisal:
Delivers an attack with a potency of 210.
Cool-down: 30, 15 with the trait.
Instant Cast, no GCD. No longer requires a parry.
Scourge:
Delivers an attack with a potency of 220.
Damage over time: 40, lasts 24 seconds.
TP cost: 20, however can only be used after a parry.
Cool-down: 15 seconds. Takes a GCD, does not break combo chains.
Scourge and Reprisal change that would be extremely helpful!
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07-06-2015, 09:21 AMNektulos-TuorScourge and Reprisal change that would be extremely helpful!
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07-06-2015, 09:59 AMAurelinaus
My opinion? No. Just no. Plus your suggestions are broken.
How so?
a 20 sec debuff on a 15s cd? That you can then perma stack with other debuffs like say DRK's own Delirium and/either PLD's Halone, WAR's Path
That said for Reprisal. I don't stack parry on DRK yet parry often enough to keep reprisal always highlighted, what usu get's me is my GCD that doesn't quite line up and turns off before the next parry comes in and i have to move on. Only thing I'd ask the is .5 sec more for that window. And a second way to proc it so it would be a skill that you can only use when you are actively tanking (e.g. while grit stance is turned off you can use Reprisal after a crit if it's available).
2. Pretty much same thing as above duration is significantly longer than CD if it was off-gcd BUT it is on GCD per your suggestion for...15s? yeah pacified for 15 whole seconds, about that.
Scourge is fine. Use it at the end of a combo after the pre scourge wears off. Leave it alone. -
07-06-2015, 10:01 AMNektulos-TuorIts a tank debuff. It "should" be 100% at all times. If not more because of switches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurelinaus
I did that with scourge so we would have less TP problems. -
07-06-2015, 10:05 AMFaytte
You clearly have not played other tanks. Warriors have to dedicate one full skill chain every 20 seconds( a skill chain taking 7.5 of those seconds) to keep their debuff up 'all the time'. It costs them dps, and means that any mistake, run in/out etc can cause it to fall off. You want a dummy proof power that also enhances your dps by basically being a mercy stroke you can use every 15 seconds...
HAHAHA
Honestly, all you DPS that came to Dark Knight really have no clue how broken you want this class to be. -
07-06-2015, 10:23 AMAurelinausReprisal debuff IS not supposed to be up 100%. Otherwise it would not only be available for the theorethical max of 40sec out of every min. It's DRK's version of IB that's all it is and all it "should" be. You're asking for an always on 10% dmg down debuff on top of the innate 20% dmg dwn, and -15% int debuff. At that point who need cds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor
And the scourge thing that's not TP conservation that's free damage if not for the 15 second GCD bit. -
07-06-2015, 11:21 AMFalgernIt isn't DRK version of IB as it still requires a parry. IB is a CD, can be used almost on-demand as it only requires 5 stacks of wrath and works well for tank busters. Reprisal is a "Oh I better use this now or I might not get the chance to use it in a while." Only way to make it into a proper CD is to remove the parry restriction on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurelinaus
And having a low cost TP ability on GCD does help with TP. Not sure about the parry requirement but changing one of the weaponskills into a 20/40tp would help a bit with the TP problems we have.
Just look at Shield Swipe, it has been used as a tool to do some minor tp management since you would end up getting more tp than you spend by using it. -
07-06-2015, 12:11 PMFaytte
Every shield swipe gains you back about 10 tp. You are not--spamming-- shield sword in a raid, it only applies when you are tanking, and it is not a dps gain over RA (but is better than RoH, unless RoH is about to fall off as a debuff).
Shield Swipe is not a powerful TP recovery mechanic like I think you guys are looking for---it helps when you MT, but a Paladin that is on OT will run out of TP just as fast as you (and honestly, in a raid as an MT they wont be much slower. -
07-06-2015, 12:15 PMOoshima
Wow there's complaints on Reprisal?
You have a CD called Dark Dance that increases your parry rate though.
I almost have no problems being able to use Reprisal on CD. If it is not up use Dark Dance and proc it. -
07-06-2015, 12:19 PMOliviaBadger
Seen so many people saying reprisal "should" have 100% uptime.
You already have 100% uptime on delerium, if you could have 100% on reprisal (which stacks with storms), you would in effect have a perma 30% magic resist and 20% physical resist. This would be a little too powerful. Reprisal already has a potential 66% uptime and has the bonus of being off-gcd and doing 210 potency.
And yeah, don't f*** with scourge. 500 potency dot...why would you want to change this? :o -
07-06-2015, 12:24 PMInstrumentality
It'd be cool if Blood Weapon restored 100 TP every time you used it/it ended. That would solve sustain problems or at least patch it over pretty well, and not require a huge rework.
Or if you could Dark Arts it for 200 TP or something. -
07-06-2015, 01:36 PMFalgernDark knights run out of TP faster as OT due to Blood Sword increasing their attack speed by 10%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faytte
Shield Swipe "saves" you 20TP, as you get 60TP every 3 seconds. what it does is it lets you weave it in every now and then, allowing you to still do damage although at a lower rate, while "saving" tp. If you run out of TP as a paladin when main tanking you can just weave more shield swipes in and you wont run out of TP anymore, as the choice is either auto attack, flash or shield swipe.