Tanking and Regen

I was running low level roulette and was booted from the group late into the dungeon after the tank complained that regen was stealing all his enmity. I was applying regen before the pull. Is this looked down upon? Is aggro that hard to gain in initially? The tank was a DRK.

Regen before a pull is something you should never do as it makes it a bit harder for the tank to gain initial hate. At the same time it puts you in danger as well because the enemies will come straight for you unless the tank manages to steal the hate back.

You should avoid putting regen on a tank before a pull, since you will be generating aggro. As soon as the tank has pulled and grabbed the pack with flash/overpower/unleash, then put regen on. However its not that hard to deal with as a tank if someone does do it, and a tank can also just remove their own regen by right clicking.

Hey Vircon, Is it okay to use it after the tank has already started getting hate? Will it still get you too much enmity? Pikachu, I also read that if you cast regen before the pull people might think you are trying to ruin the game on purpose, or "trolling," if you can believe that someone would do that. Glad you asked the question.💛💛💛

Regen's aggro is pretty minimal, you should never worry about the aggro portion of it. You would just worry about the fact that it has aggro to begin with, which is where the trouble can come.

If you apply Regen on a tank before a pull with multiple enemies (either by choice or because you Regened before the end of a previous pull and the tank stupidly didn't click it off), it's very hard for a tank to position everything as quick as possible, and it's likely you'll take a couple autos yourself. It's a needless, counterproductive hassle you wanna avoid except for the tank not clicking it off, which you still wanna avoid but that's out of your hands.

On the flip side, applying Regen before a tank pulls a single target is a very good idea and I recommend it completely. It lets you DPS ASAP, often keeping the tank healthy enough until after a mechanic - most dungeon bosses and even a nice chunk of raid bosses will do a mechanic within 15-20s of the fight starting. The only downside to it is if the tank decides face pulling is the optimal way to pull, in which case the boss might get away from the tank if he's not ready for it - that'd be the tank's fault, however.

Yeah once they have established hate on the mob it is safe to do so. It should be safe to do so after the tank uses their first Flash/Overpower/Unleash/etc. since Regen doesn't create much hate.

Pretty much its only a problem when its on at the start of a pull. I know there have been times where I wasn't paying attention to if I had a regen on and pulled, then lost all but the initial mob because of it. It can be annoying, though luckily it can be right clicked off.

The problem here is normally regen will last until next pull if we move fast. I got this problem with Aspected Benefic ( Aspected helios doesn't take that much aggro). A solution for this is to pay attention to the tank and don't use regen when there is only 1 or 2 mobs left, Tank will not die with 1,2 mobs left anyways. That way the regen will finish before the next pull and group can proceed at the usual pace.

Divine Seal+Regen->Cure II -> Shroud + PoM -> CS.

Enmity? No, don't know anything about it.

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Originally Posted by Viar

Divine Seal+Regen->Cure II -> Shroud + PoM -> CS.

Enmity? No, don't know anything about it.

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At the start of the pull? Why are you overhealing so much? >.>

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

At the start of the pull? Why are you overhealing so much? >.>

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To drop enough Holy bombs (4-5) to warrant the use of CS and slightly delay the use of Benediction.

Regen doesn't generate that much enmity, just make sure you stay close to the tank when pulling, so he won't miss his AoE because the mobs run to you instead, most tanks are annoyed by this. I often do that on small pulls so I can go full DPS, tank got agro back immediately after 1 AoE, mobs die faster, no need for more healing, everyone happy.

Avoid doing it when the mobs are scattered & come in waves, stay close to tank if not on purpose.

Right, correction. I use it once tank grabbed 3 groups of mobs already by which time SS should have been taken down. Forgot to specify.

Please don't Regen a tank before they pull. D: Paladin (was) my secondary (I find AST very fun, so PLD has lost it's place in my heart. XD) and having to deal with all the mobs running to the healer is really annoying. :\

Sometimes flash doesn't hit them all and they keep going to you, sometimes you're really close to the pack and they hit you a few times, sometimes I'm super under-geared and even though I'm the same level as you, my ilevel just barely makes the dungeon requirements and one flash might not even be enough, sometimes I'm just really bad at tanking.

When it's your job to pull things, it's really frustrating when someone else does something to aggro the mobs. Be it a BLM starting off with a swiftcast Flare (smack them if they do that, though) or healer aggro before I've picked everything up. As a tank, you're the one standing between the party and these mobs, your job to keep them still and occupied so others can DPS.

I've kicked DPS for pulling before me after repeatedly asking them not to, and I've kicked healers for Medica IIing the party and/or Regening me between trash packs after repeatedly asking them not to. If this tank has been asking you that whole run to stop regening you, I can see why they kicked you. If they didn't say anything before they kicked you, then that was a bit rude of them. But to be fair, regening before they pull things is something you usually learn not to do when you first get regen anyway.

Meh. Never had an issue with healer's using regen before a pull personally. I've had tanks ask me to not use regens as much when on my healer and I've respected their wishes, for me though, my Healer having regens pre-running means they will DPS on the pull and we'll hammer through the dungeon that bit faster, so its of no issue to me.

If your tank ask you to stop .. stop .. they may not be confident about snapping initial aggro, if they are fine with it .. HoT up and lay on the DPS. If your not using that initial time to grab some DPS why are you wasting your time Pre-HoTing?

The other issue you will find with drk is there is a bug currently that causes regen ticks to steal their mp. This is a bug that causes all buffs and debuffs to reduce their mp. For example, astro buffing the drk will cause mana loss both when the card is applied and again when it falls off. Poison ticks act like regen on their mp. Regen is particularly bad because with higher spell speed the regen ticks come faster causing massive mp loss.

Some drk may ask you to avoid using regen at all. It is important to keep an eye on their mp pool and avoid regen if you see it causing an issue for them until SE can fix this bug.

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On the flip side, applying Regen before a tank pulls a single target is a very good idea and I recommend it completely. It lets you DPS ASAP, often keeping the tank healthy enough until after a mechanic - most dungeon bosses and even a nice chunk of raid bosses will do a mechanic within 15-20s of the fight starting. The only downside to it is if the tank decides face pulling is the optimal way to pull, in which case the boss might get away from the tank if he's not ready for it - that'd be the tank's fault, however.

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Please forgive me, I am extremely new to this...what is "face pulling?" Thank you:o

face pulling is when a tank simply walks up to a mob and gets agro just by being in range rather then hitting it with a skill.

This means that they will have only the initial enmity that would be gained by being the first one to get on the mobs hate list. (to put a point system on it, say walking into the mobs range is worth 1 point, hitting an enemy is worth 50, these numbers are in no way accurate, but just to illustrate the idea)

on a side note and completely off topic, anyone else notice that the level that is shown under your character information in the forums is wrong? Shows me at lvl 53 but i've been level 60 for a week now lol

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Originally Posted by Niadissa

face pulling is when a tank simply walks up to a mob and gets agro just by being in range rather then hitting it with a skill.

This means that they will have only the initial enmity that would be gained by being the first one to get on the mobs hate list. (to put a point system on it, say walking into the mobs range is worth 1 point, hitting an enemy is worth 50, these numbers are in no way accurate, but just to illustrate the idea)

on a side note and completely off topic, anyone else notice that the level that is shown under your character information in the forums is wrong? Shows me at lvl 53 but i've been level 60 for a week now lol

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Ah! Thank you very much! <3

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

The other issue you will find with drk is there is a bug currently that causes regen ticks to steal their mp. This is a bug that causes all buffs and debuffs to reduce their mp. For example, astro buffing the drk will cause mana loss both when the card is applied and again when it falls off. Poison ticks act like regen on their mp. Regen is particularly bad because with higher spell speed the regen ticks come faster causing massive mp loss.

Some drk may ask you to avoid using regen at all. It is important to keep an eye on their mp pool and avoid regen if you see it causing an issue for them until SE can fix this bug.

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None of this is true. The effect you see is 99.99% sure to be Darkside's normal depletion. If this were true I would never be able to Tank with a WHM or SCH in my group ever since they buff like crazy without any RNG. My MP hasn't gone down faster than normal even with 2 Medica II's and Regen.


Another thing I'd like to add in regards to pre-pull Regen is don't run away from the adds if you do it. Don't be scared of the baddies. :)

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Originally Posted by Superskull85

None of this is true. The effect you see is 99.99% sure to be Darkside's normal depletion. If this were true I would never be able to Tank with a WHM or SCH in my group ever since they buff like crazy without any RNG. My MP hasn't gone down faster than normal even with 2 Medica II's and Regen.


Another thing I'd like to add in regards to pre-pull Regen is don't run away from the adds if you do it. Don't be scared of the baddies. :)

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I didn't comment based on rumor. The dev team has commented and confirmed this as a known bug. I expect they will fix it with the next hot patch.