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    Pikachu_Pizza's Avatar
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    Tanking and Regen

    I was running low level roulette and was booted from the group late into the dungeon after the tank complained that regen was stealing all his enmity. I was applying regen before the pull. Is this looked down upon? Is aggro that hard to gain in initially? The tank was a DRK.
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    Wynona Niruton
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    Regen before a pull is something you should never do as it makes it a bit harder for the tank to gain initial hate. At the same time it puts you in danger as well because the enemies will come straight for you unless the tank manages to steal the hate back.
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    Olivia Badger
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    You should avoid putting regen on a tank before a pull, since you will be generating aggro. As soon as the tank has pulled and grabbed the pack with flash/overpower/unleash, then put regen on. However its not that hard to deal with as a tank if someone does do it, and a tank can also just remove their own regen by right clicking.
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    Hey Vircon, Is it okay to use it after the tank has already started getting hate? Will it still get you too much enmity? Pikachu, I also read that if you cast regen before the pull people might think you are trying to ruin the game on purpose, or "trolling," if you can believe that someone would do that. Glad you asked the question.
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    Regen's aggro is pretty minimal, you should never worry about the aggro portion of it. You would just worry about the fact that it has aggro to begin with, which is where the trouble can come.

    If you apply Regen on a tank before a pull with multiple enemies (either by choice or because you Regened before the end of a previous pull and the tank stupidly didn't click it off), it's very hard for a tank to position everything as quick as possible, and it's likely you'll take a couple autos yourself. It's a needless, counterproductive hassle you wanna avoid except for the tank not clicking it off, which you still wanna avoid but that's out of your hands.

    On the flip side, applying Regen before a tank pulls a single target is a very good idea and I recommend it completely. It lets you DPS ASAP, often keeping the tank healthy enough until after a mechanic - most dungeon bosses and even a nice chunk of raid bosses will do a mechanic within 15-20s of the fight starting. The only downside to it is if the tank decides face pulling is the optimal way to pull, in which case the boss might get away from the tank if he's not ready for it - that'd be the tank's fault, however.
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    Last edited by Sleigh; 07-05-2015 at 02:59 PM.

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    Yeah once they have established hate on the mob it is safe to do so. It should be safe to do so after the tank uses their first Flash/Overpower/Unleash/etc. since Regen doesn't create much hate.
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    Juyon Intoner
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    Pretty much its only a problem when its on at the start of a pull. I know there have been times where I wasn't paying attention to if I had a regen on and pulled, then lost all but the initial mob because of it. It can be annoying, though luckily it can be right clicked off.
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    Rajeme Tkala
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    The problem here is normally regen will last until next pull if we move fast. I got this problem with Aspected Benefic ( Aspected helios doesn't take that much aggro). A solution for this is to pay attention to the tank and don't use regen when there is only 1 or 2 mobs left, Tank will not die with 1,2 mobs left anyways. That way the regen will finish before the next pull and group can proceed at the usual pace.
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    Divine Seal+Regen->Cure II -> Shroud + PoM -> CS.

    Enmity? No, don't know anything about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viar View Post
    Divine Seal+Regen->Cure II -> Shroud + PoM -> CS.

    Enmity? No, don't know anything about it.
    At the start of the pull? Why are you overhealing so much? >.>
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