Ninja quality of life skill suggestion!

I feel like one simple change is needed in our new set of skills to help us keep up with the times.

IMO ninja's are all about versatility, so why handicap a potentially awesome skill known as Duality?

As of now, it ONLY works with weapon skills......so basically you only want to use it with Aeolian Edge. What is the point of this? An extra 1k+ damage every 90 seconds isn't too great when comparing it to what the other classes got.

If this ability was able to be used with any ninja ability and CD reduced to 60 secs imagine the possibilities.

-Ninja's are definitely on the lower spectrum in the AOE damage department. If we were able to use Duality with our Ninjutsu, it would definitely help our sad state of AOE. Double Katon with a crit Doton would be awesome and definitely not OP.

-It would also be amazing with skills like Sneak Attack, Dream Within a Dream, and Raiton to help us keep up with the other two melee DPS classes..

Your thoughts?

Doesnt it already work with Sneak Attack? (1000 combined potency). Wiki has it listed as a weaponskill..

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Originally Posted by LoreChief

Wiki has it as a weaponskill..

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Wiki lied to you :v

Ninja needs 20 or 40 potency added to death blossom and 10 potency added to katon.

i don't want to clip gcds more than i already so, so no thanks. it'd be neat to have duality on death blossom i guess

Duality should work with "Dream Within a Dream" at least, I'm not sure why it doesn't to begin with...

OR NOT. My bad ^^

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Originally Posted by Hakmatic

Ninja needs 20 or 40 potency added to death blossom and 10 potency added to katon.

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This would be nice. We're kind of falling behind with AoE.
We were okay before but we're definitely outpaced at 60.

I don't agree with Duality working with oGCD abilities though.
Our oGCD is already filled (almost bloated) and punishing for lag.
This would just added next to the complaints about Mudra Lag.
Plus, the synergy with a weaponskill makes it more interesting.

I would like if Duality had a lower CD though.

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Originally Posted by Shamirah

Ninja is already number 1 melee dps in ST...

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have you seen dragoon lately? check again because nin lost its top spot.

Lol keep up with other 2 gtfo nin better burst and slightly better still bebettein sustain dps than monk. nin sit 2 nd place right now. So u only need to worry about drg. Drg is holding the number one spot for burst and sustain atm. I think aurily did 1.2k sustain in 3 min.

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Originally Posted by Butcherboy

Lol keep up with other 2 gtfo nin better burst and slightly better still bebettein sustain dps than monk. nin sit 2 nd place right now. So u only need to worry about drg. Drg is holding the number one spot for burst and sustain atm. I think aurily did 1.2k sustain in 3 min.

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Wrong as of now its DRG>MNK>NIN on target dummies. obviously raids aren't target dummies but still have to point it out.

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

I would like if Duality had a lower CD though.

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Not sure if this is possible. The class already has an absurd amount of oGCD damage going out. 200 potency execute, 140 potency mug, 80 potency jugulate, 300 potency DWAD, Duality is already a 260-320 potency ability. Technically, all of the Mudras are half-oGCD, some can be taken down to flat out oGCD if you're fast enough (notably Raitons). Kassatsu itself is another 360 potency (well, it depends, but generally is 360). Duality is already a pretty strong ability. It'd be fun to use it more often, but I think it'd be hard to balance.

Quality of life would be to make DE last 40ish seconds so that you can actually use more than 1 AE a minute. If you don't have a warrior in your party, your basically never get to AE.

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Originally Posted by Pluvia

Wrong as of now its DRG>MNK>NIN on target dummies. obviously raids aren't target dummies but still have to point it out.

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I said it that way since have seen no 3 min vid stating ur claim. The latest video I have seen is from a nin @3min did 1.154k vs a monk @3min did 1.140k on a dummy. So unless u can provide a link where a monk does better than that that would be appreciated.

Ok did some digging heres what I got a 3min on nin vs mnk

I'll post link

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cAmAu5-r5wA (monk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKnM9DaQW6Q (ninja)

Monk parse at 1157 at 3min
Ninja parse at 1154 at 3min

Yeah slightly a head. But ur right its drg mnk nin for sustain.

Ravanah ex parse w/out 190 weapon
180 weapon with some law gear
http://puu.sh/iDpuN.png
http://puu.sh/iDvhx.png

Lol Firhna in the grp as a smn for the both of the link. I'm surprise he not on nin.

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Originally Posted by Butcherboy

Ravanah ex parse w/out 190 weapon
180 weapon with some law gear
http://puu.sh/iDpuN.png
http://puu.sh/iDvhx.png

Lol Firhna in the grp as a smn for the both of the link. I'm surprise he not on nin.

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Monks in the forum topic talking about doing about 1200 on a dummy and about ravana ex its damn melee unfriendly from all the jumps and Firana is playing SMN becasue he like how they looked and was originally a smn

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Originally Posted by Zamii

have you seen dragoon lately? check again because nin lost its top spot.

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DRG was below NIN and MNK before 3.0 in both damage and raid utility. Finally DRG got better damage, but NIN and MNK still have better utility. I think it's fair. Besides, DRG is ahead by such a small amount and maintaining our 1st tier DPS is completely predicated on maintaining BoTD which is lost very easily if the mob dashes or knocks back...which is often in HW. Should NIN be #1 top DPS >AND< have versatility/raid utility? No. DRG may be top1 but we have like 1 raid ability on a huge timer and only buff BRD and MCH. I'm sure NIN+DRK or NIN+WAR actually yields higher raid DPS than DRG+WAR or DRG+DRK due to how great WAR and DRK's DPS is and since NIN can buff them 10%, it's likely close to or exceeds DRG's individual damage.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

DRG was below NIN and MNK before 3.0 in both damage and raid utility. Finally DRG got better damage, but NIN and MNK still have better utility. I think it's fair. Besides, DRG is ahead by such a small amount and maintaining our 1st tier DPS is completely predicated on maintaining BoTD which is lost very easily if the mob dashes or knocks back...which is often in HW. Should NIN be #1 top DPS >AND< have versatility/raid utility? No. DRG may be top1 but we have like 1 raid ability on a huge timer and only buff BRD and MCH. I'm sure NIN+DRK or NIN+WAR actually yields higher raid DPS than DRG+WAR or DRG+DRK due to how great WAR and DRK's DPS is and since NIN can buff them 10%, it's likely close to or exceeds DRG's individual damage.

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You really underestimate battle litancy and disembowl and overestimate goad and trick attack unless you speak of the threat abilities but those are pretty much a joke.

Most likely melee setups for cutting edge progression groups
Monk/Drg if fights aren't that punishing to melee and have high magic damage aoe (You know SE loves these now) becasue DRK's version of the Int reduction involves them MT and come one you know they wont' take a DRK. It will be WAR/PLD

second setup
DRG/NIN this is if there isn't any high magic damage. and melee gets punished a decent amount.
since BRD/MCH will be needed DRGs won't be dropped at all

ravana ex is the worst example to base class performance off of lol

if you kill before final liberation finishes and play optimally, you could break 850 (900 even) dps as a melee, without NIN/AST even

in an actual raid, even in something like T8, a ninja will be very close with a monk, probably being even or just barely beating them if it was purely single target (t8 has dreads which monks could EF/HF on, but if it was just the boss is what i'm saying) because the warrior will be supplying eye, which is a fairly good dps increase for ninja, around 2%, and foes whenever applicable. when you add any type of add phase that the monk can cleave the adds/the boss with eachother though, EF+HF is extremely potent. if a fight has fights that work against BoTD/GL uptime, then NIN has the least trouble of the three melee in maintaining their sustained dps as well. in the end, NIN is still higher contributed than MNK in a single target, 100% uptime setting dps because of goad/trick attack/shadewalker, while MNK brings good dps+defensive utility

even smoke screen can be a dps increase; if the tanks that aren't in tank stance don't have to use threat combos to ensure that the regen ticks from the WHM don't pull aggro, that's a possible DPS gain. the immediate use isn't obvious, but it's there still in various forms that support your raid

If we are talking about NIN QoL I think whe should tackle Shukuchi.

I mean, on mouse it looks like its a very easy skill to use. But on controller?
Yep, its fine to aim your destination by manipulating the camera angle, but how much time dont you lose making the marker go from purple of "too far away" to orange in "as far as possible".

I suggest that as a QoL for NIN this skill is modified so if you click the marker on a purple zone it warps you the furthest it can in that direction instead of poping an error and nothing more. This way it can retail the precision of the "click on orange" and become a more reliable "oh shit AoE dodge" skill. Also the CD is a bit too long for my like :/

Another one skill that always irks me is Assassinate. Sometimes I wish it was called Genocide and I bet in japanese they first thought of Kamikaze.
It locks you on place and can't be excecuted from further away than 3 yalm. Either extending the range of the skill activation or reducing the animation lock like DRG's jumps would be cool.

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Originally Posted by Arkenne

Shukuchi

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Exactly what I've been thinking.
For controller users it's really awkward to use, and that for one would really be a QoL change, I hated it to adjust the range until I got to the farthest point and by then you don't even need it anymore and still use it just because.

Anyone ever think the reason behind Duality was because SE knew we wouldn't be using AE much anymore so they gave us a skill remedy that?

We would be top dps if our Kiss buff wasn't just physical damage. But how it was intended from the start to include our ninjutsu damage.

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Originally Posted by MiruWest

Anyone ever think the reason behind Duality was because SE knew we wouldn't be using AE much anymore so they gave us a skill remedy that?

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Not really.
It benefits AE the most, and that's the best to use it with, but that won't make you cast it more.
When you can fit Aeolian Edge in, you should either way. When you can't, you won't.

Sometimes you might be hold Duality a little to use it with AE.
If AE is too far away, you're better off using Duality on a different finisher rather than holding the CD for too long.

Such CDs work around the priority system, they don't affect the priority system.
You're not going to let Dancing Edge's debuff, Huton or any of your dots fall off just because Duality went off CD.
Pretty sure SE would know it would work like that.

Maybe part of its addition is to enhance AE when it actually does get used, but it doesn't remedy how little it gets used if you don't have a WAR.

want a QoL for ninja? put DE behind SF, like this we will be able to fully exploit our dps.
because actually if we play with a warrior that put SE we get a gain of 60 potency each time we was needing to put DE.