Cross "Data Center" Grouping?

Why can't we group with players from other servers on the same Datacenter to do dungeons, raids and duty finder with them?

We can already do it randomly with Duty Finder, why not manually? I have friends from other servers. I would love to play with them whilst staying on my own server.

I think it was like that at launch and the instance servers were constantly crapping out.

It would be nice though, I also have friends who decided to play on a different data center.

Would be nice, I have some cross server friends too. I'm quite sure Fawkes has it right though, the servers just couldn't juggle that many players and queues for players was quite fast but the reservation of instances was terribly slow lol.

Tiny bit of a tangent but I thought the commendations should come with mog mail, so we get mail without a return sender (also, NPC should do this as a form of communication >.>). Need a bit of a mognet mini quest trying to figure out where all the mysterious mail is coming from :D. Then a bit of my love of Souls games speak and I say the quest unlocks a sigil that lets you call those to help you with tasks, like leve quests (SunBros... anyone?). Loved the silent community effect of those games, enforcer, comrades, temporal connections often ending in death lol, get a message rated and you get a health bonus. I feel like this could fit within an MMO (some at least), particularly a FF game that I suppose likes to use cross realm ideas to explain lore. Maybe you sometimes come across pyreflyes you can interact with to send a good will bonus to someone else (like receiving a raise, occasionally, in the open world).. /awkward tangent.

But yes, I miss some of my off to EU server friends. Were you go mates :*(

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

I think it was like that at launch and the instance servers were constantly crapping out.

It would be nice though, I also have friends who decided to play on a different data center.

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You're misreading what he said...

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Why can't we group with players from other servers on the same Datacenter to do dungeons, raids and duty finder with them?

We can already do it randomly with Duty Finder, why not manually? I have friends from other servers. I would love to play with them whilst staying on my own server.

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eg, the OP wants to form parties manually, eg like the Party Finder, across servers, for doing the instanced based dungeon/raid/trials.

It's probably within the capability to do so, but you'd need a way to either "Friend" someone during the DF PUG's or a cross-server messenger (don't give RMT any ideas)

Or maybe just creating the friend list through the lodestone.

At the very least, I've always thought the game should do like World of Warcraft did when its cross-ream duty finder was first created years ago. In that game, when you are in a cross realm duty group, you can queue for a new dungeon without leaving the first one. So, if you are farming tomes or level grinding and you meet a really nice tank, healer, or dps who is doing the same, you can re-queue for another dungeon with that person. I've had leveling parties in WoW where myself and 4 strangers gained 20-30 levels by clearing dungeon after dungeon, progressing through harder content while constantly upgrading ourselves and our party.

I remember my first awesome dungeon group in FFXIV was sad because of the sense of one-and-done about the whole duty finder system here.

What more awesome if we can add them as a friends and can chat with them.
If one of us need help we can form a party and jump into DF.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

I think it was like that at launch and the inst
ance servers were constantly crapping out.

It would be nice though, I also have friends who decided to play on a different data center.

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You're misreading what he said...

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Nonetheless, it's really sad that was just disabled and forgotten. Fixing it would solve a lot of the wait time issues but that aside it's just fundamentally sad when an MMO doesn't bother to pursue an avenue better enables the whole 'meet new people from all over the world' dream. Lord knows v2.0's already undermined that more than it ought have.

Nothing can fix dps queue times.

I remember when we could queue with the other data centers....the game was buggy as hell. after they split them the game got way more stable. I don't know if It had anything to do with it though.

It wouldn't work because there's an ability to have the same character name on other servers. The Duty Finder automatically deals with the issue to ensure no characters with duplicate names are ever in the same party. If it was possible to have a party of four people with identical names it would lead to extreme confusion with logs and the like.

Dear god yes so hard. One of the better things WoW did was let you cross-realm play with friends on other servers in dungeons and stuff.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

It wouldn't work.

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But it did. We used to be able to play with the other NA data centers. And yes it was confusing. We had a player with the same name as an fc member in the duty but it was a different person. And even with the data center split or together, you can have duplicate names anyways. I don't know what you were suggesting.

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Originally Posted by odie

But it did. We used to be able to play with the other NA data centers. And yes it was confusing. We had a player with the same name as an fc member in the duty but it was a different person. And even with the data center split or together, you can have duplicate names anyways. I don't know what you were suggesting.

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It worked so well that they removed it because it didn't work... Logic.

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

It worked so well that they removed it because it didn't work... Logic.

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Don't really understand what you mean. It works right now, otherwise the Duty finder wouldn't work. Period.

I don't understand why they don't extend party finder cross server group. I mean, really, duty finder does the same thing, just matches random people in your server group up, allow the ability to cross server party finder. Make it an option when you recruit for a party finder.

Yeah I would really like the idea. Technically can be done, various mmos (gw2, wow) already do this.
I have friends in other servers which I want to play with!

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Don't really understand what you mean. It works right now, otherwise the Duty finder wouldn't work. Period.

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He's thinking the same thing I did, because your topic title says grouping across data centers, when your post is actually talking about grouping across servers within a data center. When ARR launched the duty finder wasn't limited to data centers so you could be grouped with people from any server, which is what he's referring to, they removed that.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

When ARR launched the duty finder wasn't limited to data centers so you could be grouped with people from any server

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The difference here is, when ARR launched there were no data centres at all. You just picked a server and that was the only thing separating you from other players.
Duty Finder seems to work the same, limited to the servers available to it. They just separated clusters of servers from each other and called them data centres.

Yes please. There've been a lot of threads on this issue during 2.0 Beta and throughout afterwards.

I really hope Yoshi P considers allowing:

* Cross Server Friends List and Cross Server Parties (w/ Friends) in 3.0.

It allows friends to connect (and create new friends); adds a greater sense of Community (i.e., it's not a Faceless as it is now with Duty Finder (where you don't care about the people running w/ you because after the Instance, the party is disbanded and you usually never see these random people again).

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

He's thinking the same thing I did, because your topic title says grouping across data centers, when your post is actually talking about grouping across servers within a data center. When ARR launched the duty finder wasn't limited to data centers so you could be grouped with people from any server, which is what he's referring to, they removed that.

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No it says Cross "Data Center" grouping, meaning I want to group with other people on different servers on the same Data Center.

Final Fantasy XIV ARR needs more than cross server grouping, unfortunately. Part of what makes not just Final Fantasy XIV, but any MMO enjoyable is the overcoming of social and multiplayer challenges. Overcoming the financial hurdles by successfully utilizing the Auction house, successfully buying a plot of land to build a home on, and engaging with the community at large are all examples of the engagement these kinds of games have. Right now engaging with the community at large isn't so much a problem as overcoming financial hurdles, as some servers are so bloated with wealth and people that pricing is sort of like Final Fantasy XI back in the olden days. Balmung, for example, is being victimized by rampant scalping on the housing market thanks to insufficient plots, and any new plots that come out will just be bought out immediately and sold for extreme profit. The cost is so high on these financial challenges that most players will never be able to triumph over them. The few that do have to step on way too many toes to do so.

The solution to this would likely be a combination approach of cross server and population redistribution so as to get more people on servers with surplus plots and spread the gil around to better even out the poor vs rich servers. Not necessarily something people are going to roll with happily, but it might be a faster solution than trying to find a more effective solution to getting more server space

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

It worked so well that they removed it because it didn't work... Logic.

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Seriously, you suggested it wouldn't work because people have the same name as another on different servers. Which had absolute nothing to do with it. You could still have the same name across different servers like we do now. Yes it was removed, but your idea of why is just not true.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

No it says Cross "Data Center" grouping, meaning I want to group with other people on different servers on the same Data Center.

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Cross data center means across different data centers. You should have said cross server, or maybe "data center"-wide. ;)

If we can do cross datacenter, I can help few newbies who need help from new player thread.