Bard issues have been noticed. ^.^

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._bards_minuet/

"Wanderer's Minuet:
Development team is aware of the following:
Generally, DPS is larger when not under Minuet.
Bards' specialty of "Ability to attack while moving" is impacted when under Minuet, hard to see benefits of being in Minuet.
Unwieldy to change stances.
Due to the degree to which the above points are felt by the community, especially the first point (Less damage in Minuet), the development team is looking into changes."

Here are my own personal suggestions for the skill:

Best option: REMOVE IT.
Second plausible option. Make it instant cast.

Hopefully they include machinist to this buff.

Amongst all the issues mch and brd the most annoying thing I find is while under rapid fire with ammo loaded, iI will miss a procof iI fire to quickly due to high latency dafuq? Why is ammo still treated like a rng proc.

If they removed WM Bard will be the next class I level. I was in love with that class when I played it after being a BLM for a while. When I heard they'd become turret-y too I lost interest.

Come on, SE! Let the mobile ranged class be mobile again!

Removing it does not solve anything. Without it our DPS compared to other classes (with exception of machinist) still sucks.

WM was supposed to bridge this gap at the cost of having to remain static while 'casting' skills and having them cancelled if move. It was counter productive to add longer than needed cast times when in WM, the cast timer for even using WM was detrimental along with the restriction/blocking of our auto-attacks while under WM...all these things oppose the purpose of the skill itself which was to bolster our DPS.

They need to fix WM so that it does what it was intended to do and that is increase our DPS to be more inline with the other classes yet the principle behind limitation on movement was in general a good idea though it's implementation sucked. What they have suggested as changes might not have the desired effect either of bringing our DPS inline with others.

Time will tell once they have made some changes but don't get your hopes up...

They could up the dps of the Bard without destroying the essence of what a Bard is.

One thought off the top of my head is a sort of Sniper Training-esque stacking buff. The longer the Bard remains still the more damage he'll do. That way Bards don't have to longcast a song, their gameplay will stay intact but to do competitive damage the good Bards will have to learn when to remain still. Upon moving the buff would fall off.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

They could up the dps of the Bard without destroying the essence of what a Bard is.

One thought off the top of my head is a sort of Sniper Training-esque stacking buff. The longer the Bard remains still the more damage he'll do. That way Bards don't have to longcast a song, their gameplay will stay intact but to do competitive damage the good Bards will have to learn when to remain still. Upon moving the buff would fall off.

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Good idea! ^.^

I'm getting used to the lack of mobility. My suggestion would look into increasing the WM buff from 20% to 30% as well as decrease recast on Barrage (while under WM) from 45 sec to 30 sec.

You can now stop crying bards, stop the tears and start the damn foe requiem... you use foe requiem... right?

The issue is that Wanderer minuet and Gauss barrel are a 20 % boost while basic attacks are usually 30% of the DPS.

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Originally Posted by meldon90

You can now stop crying bards, stop the tears and start the damn foe requiem... you use foe requiem... right?

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The amount of bards who refuse to play Foe Requiem when I am on my BLM is quite astounding.

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Originally Posted by lololink

The issue is that Wanderer minuet and Gauss barrel are a 20 % boost while basic attacks are usually 30% of the DPS.

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Pretty much. WM provides a nice damage boost for AOEs, but it is a slight loss of DPS on a single target due to the removal of auto-attacks.

I like the idea of a stacking attack boost for each WS you do while standing still. If it eventually goes up to a 20% buff, say at 5 stacks, that'd give a 40% boost to single target, making up for the loss of auto attacks and giving us a real reason to use WM on things besides large trash pulls.

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Originally Posted by meldon90

You can now stop crying bards, stop the tears and start the damn foe requiem... you use foe requiem... right?

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Drg pls, disembowel fell off.

That wouldn't really work for MCH, they have a really good mobility even with Gauss Barrel, if their combo proc then move 2 and 3 are instant, there is also a buff to have instant cast for all weapon skills.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

One thought off the top of my head is a sort of Sniper Training-esque stacking buff. The longer the Bard remains still the more damage he'll do. That way Bards don't have to longcast a song, their gameplay will stay intact but to do competitive damage the good Bards will have to learn when to remain still. Upon moving the buff would fall off.

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I remember playing a Marksman Hunter at the start of Warlords of Draenor. The way Sniper Training worked is if you stood still you got the buff which was increased by your Mastery stat. If you moved for any reason, even jump, you have a 5 second buff which keeps the damage+ buff, but you have to stand still before the duration expires to regain the initial buff. If you're still moving it falls off until you stand still again for a few seconds

This would probably be a nice way to work Wanderer's Minuet (of course in SE's style not Blizzard's), but it wouldn't solve the DPS decrease problem

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

Best option: REMOVE IT.
Second plausible option. Make it instant cast.

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Nope. Ive said it before but I like the skill, or the idea behind it. Id much rather not be stance dancing around just to use a few skills so...

... just bring our DPS up to where it should be or "fix" it by getting rid of the animation lock at the end of every single cast. Other casters can 'queue' up spells after another, Bards ATM have a pause in between while the shooting animation plays out. Get rid of that. Then give us back auto-attack. It just doesnt make any sense. "Hey you have this stance now where you cant move ... oh but you cant just shoot stuff, they have to be special shots!" Why? I think this is the main problem with WM and why we take such a hit with it on.

If we're going to be casters now we should have caster DPS. Maybe not AS much since we have better defenses but now that we need to be stationary, we should get the RDPS to compensate. The songs already lower our DPS while playing them, and other classes have their own flavor of group buffs without any DPS penalties, dont know why anyone makes such a damned fuss about it.

Senpai finally noticed us. :)

It still baffles me as to why people act like they HAVE to use WM... I have it off most of the time, considering there aren't too many bosses that stand still. I like Empyreal Arrow and Iron Jaws, but not so much that I feel that I must force myself to activate WM to utilize them.

A suggestion I have for improvement would be to buff WM's dmg increase, whilst making the current WM-only skills useable all the time (with a lesser potency if used outside of WM).

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Originally Posted by dice137

It still baffles me as to why people act like they HAVE to use WM...

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that's even worse? why give us a DPS+ ability that a DPS role won't want to use.

of the 10 skills introduced to SCH and SMN there's only 1 that i'm still trying to figure out a use for, all the other 9 is used either all the time or has very specific purposes where they are very useful.

BRD has 5 skills and 2 of them should hardly ever be used? that doesn't seem acceptable.

A bard playing WM is like a mage with lower damage than most other classes, a bard not playing WM is a ARR bard with lower damage than most other classes. Either way whether play it or not, your worse off damage output wise than most other classes in a like for like ilvl/skill comparison.