No desire to play now

I don't know if it's me being a ^&*( but I leveled my MCH to 60 and I am very disappointed, and when I look back at my level 50 jobs and KNOWING how much of a Eastern grind it will take to level it just deflates any urge to play.

In my opinion when you level new jobs there should be new quests for those jobs to do to make leveling easier. but alas I may be acting as if I am an infant.

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Originally Posted by shanvhere

I don't know if it's me being a ^&*( but I leveled my MCH to 60 and I am very disappointed, and when I look back at my level 50 jobs and KNOWING how much of a Eastern grind it will take to level it just deflates any urge to play.

In my opinion when you level new jobs there should be new quests for those jobs to do to make leveling easier. but alas I may be acting as if I am an infant.

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That is how most MMORPGs play out. I am not even sure what you are complaining about here. Naturally, when a new expansion comes out, they want to prolong you until the next patch, so you have a reason to stay subbed. Even so there is plenty of ways to get EXP. FATEs/Hunts/Temple leves/Dungeons etc.

Also don't forget the next jobs to level up will get the Armory bonus.

Well, the smart thing to do was to leave some quests untouched in the zones after you unlocked flying. I still have well over a dozen scattered around starting at level 53, I think. That's one reason they kept sprouting up like mushrooms even after you technically finished the MSQ in each zone.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

Well, the smart thing to do was to leave some quests untouched in the zones after you unlocked flying. I still have well over a dozen scattered around starting at level 53, I think. That's one reason they kept sprouting up like mushrooms even after you technically finished the MSQ in each zone.

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It took me all of my MSQs, all of my side quests, a little bit of hunts, and ~5 dungeons of grinding to get up to level 60 on my FIRST job.

Just.. just stop suggesting leaving your side quests alone. It's not helpful.

That's what it took me, too, to get leveled.
I personally don't mind dungeon grinding, always looking for loot, so that doesn't bug me. I also still have a million sidequests to do. Don't forget about the hunts and your challenge log.

SE doesn't want us to blink and level. What's the point then?

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Originally Posted by Shamo_Lomenzo

It took me all of my MSQs, all of my side quests, a little bit of hunts, and ~5 dungeons of grinding to get up to level 60 on my FIRST job.

Just.. just stop suggesting leaving your side quests alone. It's not helpful.

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I left quite a few around, and didnt run each dungeon before the vault more than four times. Throw in your dailes and challanges and its not bad.

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Originally Posted by Shamo_Lomenzo

It took me all of my MSQs, all of my side quests, a little bit of hunts, and ~5 dungeons of grinding to get up to level 60 on my FIRST job.

Just.. just stop suggesting leaving your side quests alone. It's not helpful.

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if you do your roulettes, you don't need the side quests for your first job.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

I left quite a few around, and didnt run each dungeon before the vault more than four times. Throw in your dailes and challanges and its not bad.

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When I was leveling from 1-50 in 2.0 when the game was first released, I didn't run any of the dungeons more than twice before I hit fifty. Running the new dungeons 4 times each in the span of about a week? Kill me.

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Originally Posted by Phafi

if you do your roulettes, you don't need the side quests for your first job.

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Why would I want to play the old content that I've been mindlessly trudging through for two years when I have all new fresh content to do? You can't even get tomestones of law until you're 60.

That's about 400k a day. More depending on the dungeon you get from Low Level.

only thing i disliked was that I had to waste side quests to unlock flying. Only get a couple of hours a day to play and Id rather do my roulettes but I also wanted flying. Soo in some zones i have zero quests for my 2nd job.
(like sea of clouds. After doing every quest in sea of clouds I found out that to unlock flying i needed to do some quest in foundation)

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Originally Posted by Shamo_Lomenzo

Why would I want to play the old content that I've been mindlessly trudging through for two years when I have all new fresh content to do? You can't even get tomestones of law until you're 60.

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So you can level up faster and still have some side quests left so you don't have to complain?

im sure they increase exp on FATES/leves by 3.1. I think they just want most people just to use MSQ to get one job at level 60 1st.

i have most of hinterlands n all of last map sidequests left not to mention sidequests in all the previous maps that appeared everytime i leveled.. probably have enough quests to get another class close to 60... its your fault for just doin quests instead of doin challenge log/roulettes/dungeons

leveling was exactly the same in ARR at the start but over time they added other ways to help level faster.. amount of people that complain how hard levelin alt jobs is ._.

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Originally Posted by Corfish

So you can level up faster and still have some side quests left so you don't have to complain?

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Either way you're still doing the same amount of side quests and the same amount of roulettes. I'm just saying, saving side quests for another job doesn't provide you any advantages, because you're gonna be grinding in the same boring roulettes after a while. One way or another.

Armory Bonus having one to 60 already.

Battle Leves.

Grand Company buff active.

Clan Hunt Marks, 1 2 3 star.

Dungeon Grinding.


You will be 60 in no time.

Once before 2.0 there was a time where FFXIV was promoted with multiclassing system and many players liked it...
Now in 3.x it feels like soloclassing and after the 2nd to 60 the interest for 4rd and 5th fades fast away!
Not to mention the crafters...

It hase become a pure grinder and is no longer a RPG. A grinder where you just repeat the same over and over again!

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Originally Posted by Shamo_Lomenzo

It took me all of my MSQs, all of my side quests, a little bit of hunts, and ~5 dungeons of grinding to get up to level 60 on my FIRST job.

Just.. just stop suggesting leaving your side quests alone. It's not helpful.

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I never did a hunt in my life and I still have several sidequests left. Most of the 50 and 50 sidequests are untouched. The only empty zones are Idyllshire and the Churning Mists.

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Uhh, I don't know what you remember 2.0 being, but it was even more of a grind than 3.0. You ran out of quests every level after level 20 something. You HAD to FATE grind to get anywhere. 3.0 offers a lot more options, and you can level up to 57 doing nothing but quests without hitting a wall. And after 57 your next wall is at 59. That's nothing compared to the walls 2.0 had.

So basically, your complaint is that you want to play the game without playing the game.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

I never did a hunt in my life and I still have several sidequests left. Most of the 50 and 50 sidequests are untouched. The only empty zones are Idyllshire and the Churning Mists.

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That's great. I don't really know what it has to do with my point though.

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Originally Posted by Shamo_Lomenzo

Either way you're still doing the same amount of side quests and the same amount of roulettes. I'm just saying, saving side quests for another job doesn't provide you any advantages, because you're gonna be grinding in the same boring roulettes after a while. One way or another.

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You get 100% exp buff for ur secondary jobs after u finish ur #1 to 60. That enough help. Ppl cry to much about everything. Is not mandatory to lv up other jobs to 60, if u want, just play ur main and be happy.

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

So basically, your complaint is that you want to play the game without playing the game.

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No, he wants leveling to not be a long and mindless grind after the first class is maxed out from my understanding. No need to make his suggestion seem awful simply because you dislike it, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to grind 30-40+ hours for a second class, that just isn't fun.

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Originally Posted by Shamo_Lomenzo

When I was leveling from 1-50 in 2.0 when the game was first released, I didn't run any of the dungeons more than twice before I hit fifty. Running the new dungeons 4 times each in the span of a week. Kill me

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Then maybe don't rush to 60 in a week?

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Then maybe don't rush to 60 in a week?

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thats why most complain about how hard leveling alt classes are lol they want everything 60 in a fortnight XD

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No, he wants leveling to not be a long and mindless grind after the first class is maxed out from my understanding. No need to make his suggestion seem awful simply because you dislike it, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to grind 30-40+ hours for a second class, that just isn't fun.

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You already get a 100% armoury bonus for every class under 50 and 50% for classes over 50. What more do you want them to do? That's a HUGE EXP boost right there.

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Originally Posted by Shamo_Lomenzo

Why would I want to play the old content that I've been mindlessly trudging through for two years when I have all new fresh content to do? You can't even get tomestones of law until you're 60.

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Because a roulette give you around 120k exp

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Originally Posted by Shamo_Lomenzo

It took me all of my MSQs, all of my side quests, a little bit of hunts, and ~5 dungeons of grinding to get up to level 60 on my FIRST job.

Just.. just stop suggesting leaving your side quests alone. It's not helpful.

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Yet I was able to leave the majority of the lvl 56-59 quests for levelling PLD. I though 2nd job wouldbe slow to level. It wasn't. So, yeah, that idea is a good one. Just do each FATE as you come across them and grab leves when you drop into Ishgard.

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Once before 2.0 there was a time where FFXIV was promoted with multiclassing system and many players liked it...
Now in 3.x it feels like soloclassing and after the 2nd to 60 the interest for 4rd and 5th fades fast away!
Not to mention the crafters...

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Once before 2.0, back in 2011, it taked weeks and months to level up a class to 50, with no exp bonus system outside of the one Leve buff.
I think as SE have put the +3% exp bonus on food there was a complain thread about SE starting to spoil the players.

"Can I have your stuff when you quit?"

I'm sorry but when I see threads like this, all I can imagine is a huge guy with a giant bowl of icecream going: "Oh man, I just don't have the drive to eat all this. I already ate half of it, but now the icecream is just not tasting as good. I mean, if I'm gonna get fat, I might as well enjoy it right? Oh well, I started this, I might as well keep going... *grumble grumble*"

The trouble people have to deal with just to have a good time...gosh! It makes you wanna go do chores around the house, AMIRITE?

Well, they did say that the leveling up process between 50-60 would take around the same time than leveling up from 1-50. So, expecting to get some jobs to 60 in 2 weeks it's quite unrealistic if you consider what I just said. Also, if people stick with quests, they'll burn them in no time, if you decide to not touch or almost not touch the dungeons, which are the best exp income, imo. Most of us, when we leveled up our main back in the 2.0, ran out of quests as well. We didn't even have roulettes back in the day. We didn't have a Challenge Log. It surely feels like a huge grind if you compare the first 50 levels split between a lot of dungeon to only 10 levels in 5 dungeons but that's how expansions work.

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Originally Posted by Shamo_Lomenzo

Either way you're still doing the same amount of side quests and the same amount of roulettes. I'm just saying, saving side quests for another job doesn't provide you any advantages, because you're gonna be grinding in the same boring roulettes after a while. One way or another.

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Uh. Maybe so that you can still mix it up a bit while leveling the other classes.

Funny that you throw additude at people suggesting ways for him to find leveling less of a grind. Just because you hate the idea (and I dont really think you do,just negative know-it-alling), doesn't mean he will. I didn't think the thread title was "What do random poeple, who arent the OP, think of suggestions for the op having grind burn out?"

Well, actually it is helpful to leave the sidequests for the second job, i'm at 55 and just did a few chain quests on each zones, and still have alot of 52/53 to do and i just finish the MSQ Somh Al

OP: if you are done and quit, can I have your stuff?

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Originally Posted by LunaHoshino

You already get a 100% armoury bonus for every class under 50 and 50% for classes over 50. What more do you want them to do? That's a HUGE EXP boost right there.

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More options to level that aren't dungeons or FATEs which give very low xp for whatever reason in HW? That reset quests option that people have been continually suggesting would be incredibly nice now. Why exactly does leveling have to be this boring and long grind after you've done it once?

I am honestly sooooo glad that I lept off the Machinist boat at level 52.

I realized, fortunately, ahead of time, that the Machinist was doomed for complete and utter weakness. The class needs buffs EVERYWHERE. Damage, debuffs are pathetic, and their MP/TP from turret are WEAKER than the ones Bard provides LOL. Oh and it's harder to play because you need to stare at your hotbar for "RNG procs".


SO WHY PLAY MACHINIST? There are so many drawbacks and for what? Their debuffs which we were lead to believe they'd have? They don't have debuffs, the numbers are ignorable.

I am with you OP and I feel you, I know that feeling so well. I am so sorry no one warned you about it ahead of time, I am so glad I abandoned Machinist and now play classes that actually are viable/not in a horrifically weak state.

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Originally Posted by SovereignAegis

I am honestly sooooo glad that I lept off the Machinist boat at level 52.

I realized, fortunately, ahead of time, that the Machinist was doomed for complete and utter weakness. The class needs buffs EVERYWHERE. Damage, debuffs are pathetic, and their MP/TP from turret are WEAKER than the ones Bard provides LOL. Oh and it's harder to play because you need to stare at your hotbar for "RNG procs".


SO WHY PLAY MACHINIST? There are so many drawbacks and for what? Their debuffs which we were lead to believe they'd have? They don't have debuffs, the numbers are ignorable.

I am with you OP and I feel you, I know that feeling so well. I am so sorry no one warned you about it ahead of time, I am so glad I abandoned Machinist and now play classes that actually are viable/not in a horrifically weak state.

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Hey, I played WAR from ARR launch all the way through till today. I stuck with it even when people were bitching about WAR and how broken it was (I had no troubles with it, not like what others were claiming) and eventually they "fixed" it. If you like the class, stick with it, they will end up patching it eventually. Shall I list the other jobs that have been tweaked? How about... ALL of them.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Naturally, when a new expansion comes out, they want to prolong you until the next patch, so you have a reason to stay subbed.

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Since I'm buying my sub in 6 month chunks, I should get a free exp boost. :p

Back in 1.0 people put together fire parties. With no jobs just classes, people equipped fire which was an aoe ability then like fire II is now. One tank and 1 healer while the rest of everyone spammed AOEs on mobs and then repeated when they reappeared. Similar to FFXI exp parties.

Now in XIV we have so much more. Dungeons, hunts, Challenge log, leves, and whatever side quests you missed from your first 60. There's plenty to do.

1) Do your Roulettes. Why? Because it's easy EXP, Seals (which you can use to buy Ventures and materials your FC will need for Airship crafting and other works) and lowbies need help too.
2) Do your Hunts: Why? Because it's easy exp, easier still with flight (you DID get flight in all the zones, yes?) and you get Centro Seals which pay the way for some of your upgrades.
3) Do Temple Leves: Why? Because the large scale ones are damn interesting to do with a small to full partry and you've probably not touched them anyways. And again, easy EXP.
4) Do Challenges: Why? Because you're going to get bonus Exp from them while doing all of the above. Really? Is it that hard to wander around and do 1 Fate per zone you're going to end up in anyways?

In short, you have a lot to do that's just going to throw EXP your way, and a 50% Armory bonus from 50 to 60 that will help you on your way to doing it. Even if you did burn all your side-quests, there is still plenty to do.

I think some of you folks, on your first 60, had full rest bonus.

I didn't.

In fact, I had to grind out the last 3/4 of a few levels because I ran out of quests, challenge logs, FATEs are crap, and not all hunts are doable first time around(level, location).

I started with 0 rest bonus. I came here 6 weeks ago. Bard to 50, and a bunch of others between 20 and 46 before HW started up for cross class skills. Then took AST to 60 first.

I got all day every day to sit here and level. Just really boring after the first job.