No new recovery pots?

X-Potions/Ethers are terrible late-game right now. Recovering 500 HP is useless, recovering 500 MP is barely noticable. I thought that changes would be made in expansion so that these potions would have no recovery cap but it seems I was wrong.

Has anything been confirmed that I don't know about, or is SE keeping these the way they are now?

I guess even SE realised how useless all teh potions are and just opted not to bother with them. For now anyway, they might be cooking up a complete overhaul of them behind the scenes for all we know.

I have a feeling these Pots will either be updated to scale accordingly or add new pots to make up the difference. I don't believe they would just leave out something like that, especially being a crafter specialization, for too long. Can we get a mod to look into this?

Gimmie a XX Potion.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

I guess even SE realised how useless all teh potions are and just opted not to bother with them. For now anyway, they might be cooking up a complete overhaul of them behind the scenes for all we know.

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Potions are hardly useless. Especially x pots and potent poisoning pots for dps can help your dps a lot.

Useless? I used them all the time. From INT potions, to MP potions to kick out a spare flare. This is what separates the average player from a great player. Well that and a number of other things, but with how high our MP is now, 400 mp isn't enough to do anything. :(

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Originally Posted by Dante_V

Potions are hardly useless. Especially x pots and potent poisoning pots for dps can help your dps a lot.

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Sorry, but with the level cap raised, potions fell behind. Healing and MP recovering potions didn't scale so now they heal for a pitiful amount. Potent potions that cause debuffs don't work on any monster beyond level 50. The only potions with any remote sense of use are ones that boosts your stats for a few seconds, but there's not many raids right now that would encourage it and you can't even pop another pot after the first until a minute or so later.

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Originally Posted by Dante_V

Potions are hardly useless. Especially x pots and potent poisoning pots for dps can help your dps a lot.

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Originally Posted by Luciano_Bozzelli

Useless? I used them all the time. From INT potions, to MP potions to kick out a spare flare. This is what separates the average player from a great player.

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Yeah, yeah, I'm an awful player, whatever. I don't do raids. I'm terribly sorry. And I don't see the point of 15s potions with open-world or common dungeon mobs that we are overgeared for anyway - especially as a mage who has enough trouble casting dodging all the AoEs all the time anyway. X potions can't make enough mana for a proper spell and enemies hit harder than the amount of HP they recover. In short: useless. The ones that drop in my inventory? Keep piling up because I never find myself in a situation where I actually could use them in any meaningful way.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

Yeah, yeah, I'm an awful player, whatever. I don't do raids. I'm terribly sorry. And I don't see the point of 15s potions with open-world or common dungeon mobs that we are overgeared for anyway - especially as a mage who has enough trouble casting dodging all the AoEs all the time anyway. X potions can't make enough mana for a proper spell and enemies hit harder than the amount of HP they recover. In short: useless. The ones that drop in my inventory? Keep piling up because I never find myself in a situation where I actually could use them in any meaningful way.

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Looks like someone took offense to some factual comments. No one ever said you were an awful player, your just not better than the man that pops raging strikes, and also pops an INT 80+ potion to burn down a boss faster to deal with less mechanics, or to pick up the slack when another dps dies. Example of how some people in the community can be so defensive. You were just told some valuable info to make you hit harder, but you right it off as us saying you are a sorry player, and then end with a comment to say again that potions and pots are useless...

I use pots all the time. They arnt useless....

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

Yeah, yeah, I'm an awful player, whatever. I don't do raids. I'm terribly sorry. And I don't see the point of 15s potions with open-world or common dungeon mobs that we are overgeared for anyway - especially as a mage who has enough trouble casting dodging all the AoEs all the time anyway. X potions can't make enough mana for a proper spell and enemies hit harder than the amount of HP they recover. In short: useless. The ones that drop in my inventory? Keep piling up because I never find myself in a situation where I actually could use them in any meaningful way.

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I don't use them, so they are useless?
little defensive there as well.

But they are auite useful, less so now since they don't scale, but I always keep an x-ether on my quick bar just incase. They are very handy for at least Whm and Blm.

Also a 15 second damage buff is nice. Its like saying raging strikes is useless.

I think the point of this thread was to point out that the potions that received new versions every few levels did not get updated, and that the old impotent potions are dropping like candy in their place.

I just ran a timeworn wyvernskin map the other day (level 60 recommended) and I was rewarded with 4 x-potions and 1 normal quality ingot. 24% health recovery... up to 520hp. I have 18k hp at level 60. Why is this stuff still dropping??? Why is it dropping from my level 60 map???

They either need to add a "heavenly X-potion" that heals ~2k HP, or just stop filling my bags with this junk.

edit: Impotent potions, hehehe

they really need to add a new tier of potions...or at least redistribute the tiers...

They really should increase the Recovery cap for all healing potion to about 3-4 times the current cap, at level 60 most non-tanks will already have 10k HP so healing 2000+ with each X-potion every 2 minutes isn't so overpowered when healers are already healing much more every few seconds. Besides it helps a little for non-healers to try to solo something on the map (like FATE or hunt for example).

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Originally Posted by KinnisonArc

They really should increase the Recovery cap for all healing potion to about 3-4 times the current cap, at level 60 most non-tanks will already have 10k HP so healing 2000+ with each X-potion every 2 minutes isn't so overpowered when healers are already healing much more every few seconds. Besides it helps a little for non-healers to try to solo something on the map (like FATE or hunt for example).

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How about 10 time? Healing 5K every 4 minutes isn't that big of a deal and still isn't a lot for a tank, the main guy taking damage. I mean just remove the stat caps and leave the percentages, you'll have the same effect.

echo drops.... if you get silenced as a healer, someone can die waiting for it to go away on it's own

Plz scale.....
The new pots would be gated for masterbook 3 alch etc.
I just want my elixirs back ;-;

meanwhile, we have level 60 NQ det food that will require 600 det to maximize.

wheres the alchemy love

There's a whole crafting class dedicated to potions...

Are there really no new potions to make and use? Seems like a huge oversight.

They need better scaling and lowered timers, depending on the pot.

SE hates Alchemist. I don't care how many required reagents they add that make Alchemist much more attractive, until I see a recipe for Cordial/Hi-Cordial, SE hates Alchemist.

HP/MP potions could do with being adjusted and rescaled (both in amount restored and level of recipe). We could do with a TP restore potion outside of PvP. Enemies could do with inflicting status effects like Silence more often, and inflicting them for longer, to make things like Echo Drops more useful. I'm actually curious, do items like Spine Drops/Gold Needles work if various raid mechanics are ignored? Probably should have tested that when first trying T9...

They used a lot of the traditional medicine types already, so unless they just start making new ones they're boned on the FF theme. Should just make the old ones scale to level.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

SE hates Alchemist. I don't care how many required reagents they add that make Alchemist much more attractive, until I see a recipe for Cordial/Hi-Cordial, SE hates Alchemist.

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Man, that would be so nice. I don't understand why Cordial isn't craftable, I never got that. Without it you're just gonna sit there waiting for it to regen anyway, guess they want gatherers to waste as much time as possible.

Going to have to agree with the crowd, potions and ethers are pretty worthless. I can down an ether for 460 mana, but that won't even cover the cost of a single cure spell at level 60. Echo drops, spine drops and the like are neither potions nor ethers and thus bringing them up as if they're some kind of holy grail is irrelevant to the discussion.

Of course, SE can't do what other people have suggested either and simply remove the caps on these items. The lower tier items tend to have high percentages but lower caps, while the high tier items have low percentages and higher caps. To simply remove the caps would make potions the most powerful healing item in the game with the lowest recast. Can you imagine being able to restore 40% of your hp every minute? Exactly.

The best way to 'fix' it is to have lower tiered potions and ethers restore a fixed amount of HP/MP while the higher tier ones work on percentages. That way you avoid the imbalance while still making them useful for higher levels. The downside is we're about as likely to see Lalafell's raining from the sky as we are to get any kind of potions overhaul. More likely than not they'll simply add new ones at higher tiers if they bother to do anything.

And for goodness sake, SE, make cordials craftable! It's long past due!

The recovery pots are useless now, yes. DPS pots remain very useful.

they need to take out the max component of the potion...

I'm more prefer with Regen portion.

Personally I would NOT like to see new potion items such as "Draconian Potion" or "XX-Potion".

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

they need to take out the max component of the potion...

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I like this idea better. They should buff existing potions and at least ease up if not remove the maximum limits. I dislike this feature on Food as well, but at least there we have other options. With HP/MP, we have no choice. X-Potion and X-Ether do not restore enough, and Hi-Elixir has a ridiculous cooldown timer. I miss the old days in previous Final Fantasy games where Elixirs were elite items only to be used in emergencies. I guess those days are long gone.

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Originally Posted by aerialrave

Personally I would NOT like to see new potion items such as "Draconian Potion" or "XX-Potion".



I like this idea better. They should buff existing potions and at least ease up if not remove the maximum limits. I dislike this feature on Food as well, but at least there we have other options. With HP/MP, we have no choice. X-Potion and X-Ether do not restore enough, and Hi-Elixir has a ridiculous cooldown timer. I miss the old days in previous Final Fantasy games where Elixirs were elite items only to be used in emergencies. I guess those days are long gone.

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You really can't compare single player RPGs to MMOs. Something that restores all health and mana would be just a tad broken.

Meh those potion is useless, especially those CD that same with WHM's Benediction CD but only gives little amount of HP and short time of buff.

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Originally Posted by Chek

They used a lot of the traditional medicine types already, so unless they just start making new ones they're boned on the FF theme. Should just make the old ones scale to level.

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Name related to expansion + name of recovery item.
Heavenly Potion
Heavenly Hi-Potion
Heavenly X-potion
Heavenly Elixir
Heavenly Ether

If 4.0 is called "Tides of Empire" they could be called things like "Tidal Hi-Potion" and "Tidal Elixir".

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Originally Posted by Eul

Meh those potion is useless, especially those CD that same with WHM's Benediction CD but only gives little amount of HP and short time of buff.

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A potion that enables you to survive a hit or two until the healer is able to give you some loving saves that healer the MP of a revive cast + prevents you from getting a dps loss from weakness.

Now, I thought the whole reason potions only scale up to a certain HP value was specifically SO they could introduce new alchemy formulas and keep them relevant. The massive number of X-potions cluttering my inventory from level 60 content and treasure maps suggests they forgot to do this. Maybe the guy designing the alchemy update for 3.0 tested a sleep potion on himself or something.

I carry stat boosters and antidotes around (in case of Brayflox in roulette) but the HP/MP pots are useless. The early ones should just be flat restores of certain amounts and later ones should be uncapped but lower percentage restores.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

they need to take out the max component of the potion...

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Read my above post to see why this wouldn't work. Low level potions would become superior to high level ones.

I've played games where recovery items were based on Max HP%. Wonder if it could work in this game.

As White Mage I use pots in emergencies when I'm out of MP, and both Shroud and Assize are on cooldown. They're hardly useless, but it would be nice with more potent pots.

Very useful as I worked myself through Bismarck Ex with a Scholar off-heal that was helping with the dps, as an example...

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Originally Posted by Amelia_Pond_Behemoth

I've played games where recovery items were based on Max HP%. Wonder if it could work in this game.

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The pots recover a percentage of your max hp/mp... up to a cap.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

How about 10 time? Healing 5K every 4 minutes isn't that big of a deal and still isn't a lot for a tank, the main guy taking damage. I mean just remove the stat caps and leave the percentages, you'll have the same effect.

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stat cap exist to make sure that players use potions and food that fit to their levels, not just the strongest in the market.
A X-potion is for a lv10 player not as good as a potion at lower rank.