Airship downgrade?

or am i too pessimistic? :(
so im pretty ok with the things they have and the things that need waiting & work. I was attracted to FFonlines (or any square game for that matter) because Square has one of the most original and detailed designs out of any other mmo's that i seen. i know this cant be compared to XI but from the beautiful graphics i thought the designs would be more ...i guess more well thought out?.... ;x

FFXI airship


FFXIV airship
XIV another


Others:
FF7
FF8
FF9 1
FF9 2
FF10
FF12

The past airships seem to have alot of detail while the XIV one seems like huge patches of...shapes stuck together

Doesn't matter to me much since you can't actually ride them, its just instant transport. Maybe I'll care when we can ride them.

They fit with the aesthetic and lore of the world. We've seen much bigger ones anyway, except they belong to the Garlean Empire. Maybe once we get through that whole story arc we'll see some more grand airships.

The airships in Final Fantasy XIV suits the low technology setting; they look more like hot air balloons.

Comparing designs from games with different settings and themes makes no sense.

They sure make more sense than FFXI's version, even if they are less technical. Just tell everyone to keep their blades sheathed and arrows quivered and maybe we'll survive.

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Originally Posted by Len

The airships in Final Fantasy XIV suits the low technology setting; they look more like hot air balloons.

Comparing designs from games with different settings and themes makes no sense.

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no ones saying add rocket boosters, we're talking about the details of the work in comparison to past ones and the current citizen made items

weapons
armour

i dunno maybe an artist can see better >.>
ex) using a wooden plank as opposed to using a wooden plank with etchings engraved with a covercoat

well.as much as we know we know nothing.
the airships we get with 1.19 seem for transportation between city states only.
there might aswell be airships for battle if that is ever planned for content/story/lore, just as the garlean empire has a whole airship fleet, containing small up to huge airships.

Well i know you cant ride they...YET! but they will be adding rideable airships....but i agree with OP the FFXIV doesnt have but a single deck while the others are like mansions with wings!

It's going to be temporarily cutscene transport, what part of that do you people not get?

I think they look great. They are sized more like a bus or some other type of public transportation like these should be, since they aren't warships.

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It's going to be temporarily cutscene transport, what part of that do you people not get?

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that has nothing to do with what the op is stating... he is saying the airships look bad compared to others...yes your not going to be able to physically ride them for a wasted 10 minutes everytime i travel....but still they look like crap compared to others....which in all honesty im just happy to have them at all at this point in this mmo...

Compared to Garlean , Eorzea is pretty back water.
These airships fit the setting.
Maybe in future expansions we'll be getting into more hightech or magitech type cities.

To give some scale... not every sailboat is a Frigate.

There are Schooners, there are Galleons, Caravels, why should airships be any different?

My sincere hope is that sometime down the road we will be able to make personal or linkshell owned Airships, in which case it would be nice if we had a little variety.

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Originally Posted by Deceptistar

no ones saying add rocket boosters, we're talking about the details of the work in comparison to past ones and the current citizen made items

weapons
armour

i dunno maybe an artist can see better >.>
ex) using a wooden plank as opposed to using a wooden plank with etchings engraved with a covercoat

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What? And create air drag?

I dunno if you realize this, but these things travel across entire countries in a matter of seconds.

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or am i too pessimistic? :(
so im pretty ok with the things they have and the things that need waiting & work. I was attracted to FFonlines (or any square game for that matter) because Square has one of the most original and detailed designs out of any other mmo's that i seen. i know this cant be compared to XI but from the beautiful graphics i thought the designs would be more ...i guess more well thought out?.... ;x

FFXI airship


FFXIV airship
XIV another


Others:
FF7
FF8
FF9 1
FF9 2
FF10
FF12

The past airships seem to have alot of detail while the XIV one seems like huge patches of...shapes stuck together

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I agree that they are not as impressive as the XI ones, but I think they'll look a little better close up (just more rugged than XI's). These ones weren't made by Cid and in this game we are the technological underdog so hopefully we will see some better ones later on (like the one the dragon destroys in the intro).

Maybe Ishgard has all the cool airships.

I love that the OP post what i think is a pretty valid point with pictures of a bunch of airships from differant FF's and some ppl only pick up on and hate on the XI one, i'm gonna defend the XI one before i go any further, the XI one was built by Cid and he can make anything work, he could even make a helicopter out of Chuck Norris if so wished. thinking about it i'm actually i'm not defending the FFXI airship i defending Cid to hate on somthing he built is to hate on him. :)

Anyway, form the pictures posted about the XIV airship and only bassed on pictures (i know the finial product could be complely diffrent) i agree there's not that detailed in comparrison. i like the idea of the new FFXIV design but it needs that FF feel to it.

could be the pictures are just the basic shapes without all the little details added yet, guess we'll find out in a week or so :)

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Hey! Aren't you the one who is excited about Jobs? I mean, personally I look forward to ffxiv becoming closer and closer to ffxi, don't you agree?

these seem to be lke the taxis of airships. i think they will add bigger ones later for content.

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Hey! Aren't you the one who is excited about Jobs? I mean, personally I look forward to ffxiv becoming closer and closer to ffxi, don't you agree?

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jobs in 14 are nothing like jobs in 11, you dont even have to lvl them. what we have now with cross classing skills is actually closer to 11 then jobs will be.

i'm ok with how it looks, though if there ever was plans for content on them then yeah they could of probably been way bigger like other ff boats and ships.

Thanks for the reply but, lol I was being sarcastic, and actually yes, right now we have the mix matched cross crap which isn't terrible in thought, but not played out well. Ideally right now there is no reason to be a Tank in this game besides for maybe DH. As a GLA you are a waste of space that another Archer could fill.

Jobs are coming to ffxiv, Pld, Mnk, Blm, Whm, Drg, Brd, (missing one?) which is a good thing. The cross class thing should be kept for soloing although right now I wouldn't see a reason to fully use the new jobs regardless.

My example being:
Me as 37 Gld 3 Archers 1 Con 1 Thm and a Lnc go out to kill Raptors. We get our very short buffs and run rapidly towards the raptors ready to blaze in a furry like no other. The Gla and Lnc leap into the air ready to bring down this vile raptor but as they are about to land a strike, 6 Arrows and a Scourge II whizz pass and decimate the poor raptor. The Gla and Lnc both got max SP but are worthless, they sigh and try again and again.. It happens.

Now granted I could take no Archers, well actually I couldn't because 9/10ths of the populace are indeed archers.

There is a lot of things to look forward to in ffxiv and some major flaws. As much as I love the FF series, XIV will never have what XI did because of the two main things it tries to do. People played XI because there was nothing close to it, people will not play XIV because it is nothing new. The WoW crowd won't and a good portion of my 7 years in ffxi friends wont play it because its too much heading in that general theme. Even though Abyssea and Astral Burns are terrible heaps and I myself don't play ffxi either anymore.

FFxiv is heading in the route of WoW, Rift ect. If i'm going to pay for a MMO like those two, It will be something that does what they do well. FFxiv does not do it well even though its trying.

On topic: Its probably unfinished~

I think they look right for the setting an such, an we know about much more impressive ones..
They are maybe little small but I cant be sure till we get up close to them.

Personally i would love to see them update and improve as the story moves along, or maybe new ones added for the City States own fleets as we get more locations and things.
- Could have a few months with story content based on helping the city states build new combat based ones.
- Add Player Built ones for Companies if we get them, with mass PvE/PvP missons to unlock and do(ship<>ship combat ! )
- Grand Company missions taking an airship with npcs into deep locations and things.

Wait are you trying to say they did something with less effort than in previous FF titles? I'm shocked I tell you shocked.

I have mix feeling about the OP and the subject in general. Chocobos are more focused at this time compared to air-ships (or air-canoes). They're nothing fitting the surrounding level of technology as other air-ships from previous FF installments (they actually fit the role and function and technology by leaps and bounds).

Well, if we want something to improve about the airships, we need to suggest it to SE either now or the looong awaited future because once FFxiv become retail, they'll have their hands full (or either take a loong vacation).

WTF does the air-ship(canoe) have to be so small, should I ask? Is it because it's suppose to be fast?? I always enjoyed air-ships because it took me ANYWHERE... I saw the sights, I walk the deck of the ship and still able to chat with friends. If there was actually something to do on the ship, it would not just be a choice of transportation but serve a function and be an experience while seeing your surrounding from up HIGH.

If only FFxiv airships was as impressive as the begining ship we saw from the opening cutscene during the tutorial. What happen to the creativity of the DEV team?? IMO, airships was the landmark if not a monumental step to adventure and progressing through your quest to save the world!

"Wow, hurray... I can now ride a ...canoe ...in the air, will we all fit on this thing??"

I think there's more mobs in the sky to take advantage of and farm skill points and experience. Where's my bow, imma shot at one and kill the voulcher! >=3

Think again..Try reading some DEV POST! LOL



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While the airships in 1.19 will feature cutscene-only, quick transport, there are future plans for being able to move around aboard the airship and enjoy the scenery while flying to your destinations. We are also planning on adding airship-related content, such as quests and other things to do.

For now, please enjoy airships as a method of transportation and look forward to what’s coming! ^_^



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Originally Posted by Foxclon
こんにちは。
Hello,

1.19で実装される飛空艇については 第17回プロデュサーレター でもお伝えしていますが、出発と着陸時にはカットシーンの演出がありますが、移動は一瞬になり飛空艇内を動きまわるといったことはできません。
The airship releasing in 1.19, as stated in 17th producer letter, there will be departing/landing cut scenes but the travel will be instantly where you wont be able to move around the airship.

ただし、将来的には飛空艇の中も動きまわれるようにする計画があります。
そしてその際には、飛空艇内で事件が起こったり、クエストが発生したりなど、飛空艇内での遊びも一緒に提供していきます。
However, there are plans for future to be able to move around inside the airship.
And when that happens, will offer contents you may play such as some kind of problem occurring on the airship, or quest happening.

まずはひとつの移動手段として飛空艇をご利用ください！
For now please think of it and utilize the airship as additional method for travel

[QUOTE=Esk;351031but I cant be sure till we get up close to them.

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go to the lower section of gridania adv guild and wait. you'll see an airship pull up and leave already. been doing it for months now.

they could use a lil more detailing in the basic concept design/art. some engraving along the sides, perhaps some form of identification on the sides of the "balloons" like how busses have route numbers ect, perhaps a flag and a few nice lanterns that would show other airships they're approaching another in the night sky.

these sort of details seem to have been slightly overlooked. but maybe once they're ridable asthetic changes will be made to the exterior of the airships too

@ Secret_reeve Aye I've seen it, but you cant get close up really, and I was hoping the ones in game atm are place holders with less detail, but we will see soon.

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Wait a tick - the OP compared FFXIV's [currently planned] airships to SE's most recent FF MMO (FFXI) in addition to 5 other non-MMO FF titles, and that labels her "another FFXI wannabe"? Really?! That is simply incompatible with any form of logic imaginable.

Please don't breed.

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Originally Posted by Len

The airships in Final Fantasy XIV suits the low technology setting; they look more like hot air balloons.

Comparing designs from games with different settings and themes makes no sense.

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By the way - Most of Vana`diel is fairly low technology in present time as well with the exception of the Zilarts and those in Aht Urhgan. They even chose against a monorail system in XI because it was "too high tech for the world".

So yeah comparing designs is actually acceptable given both games are low technology.

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By the way - Most of Vana`diel is fairly low technology in present time as well with the exception of the Zilarts and those in Aht Urhgan. They even chose against a monorail system in XI because it was "too high tech for the world".

So yeah comparing designs is actually acceptable given both games are low technology.

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The airships in 11 are of Zilart design or at the very least Zilart influence, since the biggest contributor to their design was the archduke, so it would make sense that they are high tech.

They also probably just customized actual boats for it since they land in the water =P

BTW (not intended for the above poster)... it takes a lot more time/effort to make up a new design than reuse an old one.

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go to the lower section of gridania adv guild and wait. you'll see an airship pull up and leave already. been doing it for months now.

they could use a lil more detailing in the basic concept design/art. some engraving along the sides, perhaps some form of identification on the sides of the "balloons" like how busses have route numbers ect, perhaps a flag and a few nice lanterns that would show other airships they're approaching another in the night sky.

these sort of details seem to have been slightly overlooked. but maybe once they're ridable asthetic changes will be made to the exterior of the airships too

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Yes, aesthetic details! ^_^ thus why i added the FF7 airship cause the metal plate lines and bolts count as details too.
Interesting opinions, seems like the overall answer is basically 'lets see where it goes from here' meaning pple do expect a bit more but still in the waiting.

much thanks to those who put in the effort to make it a normal discussion and others that went their way to correct pple who didnt understand \o/

There is absolutely nothing wrong with FFXIV airships.

They were designed the way they are to be in accordance with the lore and general gameworld design. If you stop respecting lore, then you get CON=WHM (lol fail). And then the game starts to become inconsistent and gimmicky.

They look fine to me:

http://www.ffxivcore.com/index.php?a...attach_id=5233

http://www.ffxivcore.com/index.php?a...attach_id=5232

FFXIV city states only just began airship travel, but their naval ships are much more sophisticated. If they had fleets of huge airships, garlean empire wouldn't seem like such a great threat to the game, since huge overpowering airships are their specialty and intimidation-factor.

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with FFXIV airships.

They were designed the way they are to be in accordance with the lore and general gameworld design. If you stop respecting lore, then you get CON=WHM (lol fail). And then the game starts to become inconsistent and gimmicky.

They look fine to me:

http://www.ffxivcore.com/index.php?a...attach_id=5233

http://www.ffxivcore.com/index.php?a...attach_id=5232

FFXIV city states only just began airship travel, but their naval ships are much more sophisticated. If they had fleets of huge airships, garlean empire wouldn't seem like such a great threat to the game, since huge overpowering airships are their specialty and intimidation-factor.

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For the 2nd time, no ones talking about the sophistication or the technology of the ships nor the shapes of the boat, but the actual aesthetics/designs that are added to bring the product out, something that SE is well known for in almost every one of their games. Because atm even a harvesters tool has more detail on it.

some pple can see the diff.
some are like moms that think every blue color jeans is the same design >.>

Given the vastly decreased size I don't see a problem with the more austere design. In FFXI Airships were available to the aristocracy, which is why you needed to be given access after services rendered to the archduke of Jeuno. Airships in Eorzea seem alot more prevalent... it wouldn't make sense for them all to be gilt to the hilts.

none of the pics provided give a definitive scale to these airships, they may be bigger than you think.

You can only glean so much detail from a faraway picture at a small size. Just wait till you see them closer. These are general public transportation anyway, like Ferth said, they aren't going to be decorated anything crazy.

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Originally Posted by Len

The airships in Final Fantasy XIV suits the low technology setting; they look more like hot air balloons.

Comparing designs from games with different settings and themes makes no sense.

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Oh im sorry. I guess low technology = no detail. Right?

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some pple can see the diff.
some are like moms that think every blue color jeans is the same design >.>

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Okay, but if I try to imagine anything that is the same size as the FFXIV airships but of greater complexity, it all looks like complete rubbish, and I think they managed to achieve a nice design in FFXIV given the limitations on technology. I think their choice of intersecting lines and shapes and the building materials were artistically wise ones, and attuned with the aesthetic of the rest of the gameworld.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

FFXIV city states only just began airship travel, but their naval ships are much more sophisticated. If they had fleets of huge airships, garlean empire wouldn't seem like such a great threat to the game, since huge overpowering airships are their specialty and intimidation-factor.

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its not so much the size of the fleet that makes the garleans a huge thread. its the armourment and weapon systems on thier airships that scares the bajeepers outta people.

look at it this way, a flock of birds arent scary, they can be shot out of the sky. bu give those birds shields and lasers on thier heads when all you have is a american civil war musket, those birds suddenly become a damn sight scarier lol

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Originally Posted by Deceptistar

or am i too pessimistic? :(
so im pretty ok with the things they have and the things that need waiting & work. I was attracted to FFonlines (or any square game for that matter) because Square has one of the most original and detailed designs out of any other mmo's that i seen. i know this cant be compared to XI but from the beautiful graphics i thought the designs would be more ...i guess more well thought out?.... ;x

FFXI airship


FFXIV airship
XIV another


Others:
FF7
FF8
FF9 1
FF9 2
FF10
FF12

The past airships seem to have alot of detail while the XIV one seems like huge patches of...shapes stuck together

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It's supposed to be more primitive. That's the whole idea of Eorzea. Did you watch the opening cinematic? Pay attention to the lore of this game.