The Chrysalis - difficulty

Any chance of getting this nerfed? Or Echo applied? (Even though I guess canonically it would not be for the encounter?)

A friend and I have been trying this for a week with no success. It seems tuned way too high for PUGs. Considering asking S-E for money back on Heavensward if we remain locked out of its content due to this.

According to one guy in our group who rage quitted after 2 wipes " its the easiest fight in the game". Funny though after he left we cleared it (pug group).

I hated that fight, took me a week after it came out to clear it... no one knew what to do for the longest time, it was awful.
Eventually people figured out what to do and I cleared it.

Funny, I've started doing trial roulette and it came up (uuugh) but we all one-shot it. I think there were maybe two new people in the fight, too.
Just keep at it. If you want, try to get a party finder group together and ask for help.

Ok, SPOILER ALERT, there's one simple trick to beating this SUPER EASY. Every run I do, I share this with the party, and we beat it on the first try.

When the ascian creates a portal in the middle of the room, RUN AWAY. Just keep running towards the edge of the arena. The reason why is he puts a debuff on you that massively increases damage taken, and the duration gets multiplied when you enter the portal. By running away for a bit, the debuff will wear off! For even better success, use buffs right before the debuff wears off, such as vigilance, divine seal, raging strikes, etc. Those will also get multiplied when you enter, so instead of taking massive damage during the meteor section, you'll be super buffed!

Personally I think that The Chrysalis is one of the easiest trials. There aren't really any tough mechanics or difficult dodging throughout the fight. It's just a matter of doing the meteor phase properly. Whenever I get it in trial roulette it's a one-shot.

Is there a recurring issue that is causing wipes?

If I were on your server I'd be more than happy to help. I would suggest creating a Party Finder group for help.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

Is there a recurring issue that is causing wipes?

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Yeah, people who aren't familiar with the fight not following instructions.

It's definitely not one of the easier fights in the game. That's a silly thing to say. But it's also not as difficult as people make it when they just plain don't listen. It's not a fight where you can expect to steamroll everything and ignore the mechanics.

I've taught it to plenty of new people in trial roulette and cleared it without issues. People just need to be willing to listen to instructions and handle mechanics.

It was pretty difficult for me the first time I did it. It took me like 3 different parties and numerous tries because we would fail the DPS check on the meteor section. Since after clearing it for the first time, I haven't had much difficulty with it any more.

While I don't think its the easiest (ever MT Titan HM?). You do need to know a few things and they were all talked about here. I think the bigger issue is getting everyone in there on the same page PUG groups especially full party rarely speak. When I did this the first time I said I was new and a couple other people did too, once the usual buffs were up at the start the MT took off and pulled, no chance to get a plan down or for anyone to even say what to expect. Communication is always key, but in a PUG group may as well talk to a wall.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

Ok, SPOILER ALERT, there's one simple trick to beating this SUPER EASY. Every run I do, I share this with the party, and we beat it on the first try.

When the ascian creates a portal in the middle of the room, RUN AWAY. Just keep running towards the edge of the arena. The reason why is he puts a debuff on you that massively increases damage taken, and the duration gets multiplied when you enter the portal. By running away for a bit, the debuff will wear off! For even better success, use buffs right before the debuff wears off, such as vigilance, divine seal, raging strikes, etc. Those will also get multiplied when you enter, so instead of taking massive damage during the meteor section, you'll be super buffed!

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Its cuz ppl don't read the little npc text that pops up.
Lel thats y steps of faith was so hard despite the npc barking directions at u.

No need to nerf it. Get better, it's that easy. Sorry if that sounds like I'm being a bit of a jerk with that statement, but it's a pretty easy fight as a SCH (or at least I feel so, having healed this at least 20 times). Healers need to keep the tank up constantly during doubles and triples, so cast Adloquium when you see him start casting Spark after a Double or Triple, and recast it right when the first and second ones are going off (Virus also helps mitigate this massively). When the orbs pop, keep the party up and healed during this phase, unless you wish to help grab the orbs (this is suggested, simply because it allows for less orbs to get through). When the orbs stop coming, and he's about to throw out his giant AoE, throw down Sacred Soil, use a Succor, have Eos (if you're using her) pop a Fey Covenant, Fey Illumination, then Rouse+Whispering Dawn to help mitigate all of this damage.

Continue fighting him, repeating the above until he pulls out a portal (happens around 20%, so start recasting Eos' moves at around 22-23% so they're on everybody for this). Swiftcast Succor, enter the portal. All your buffs will be on for a long time now. Make sure somebody (preferably the tanks) are standing under the various comets while DPS burns down the Rift thingy (make sure somebody uses LB3 on the thing to speed things up, preferably a melee if there's one in the party). When you get out, it's just the same thing as before until the boss finally croaks.

This is of course, assuming it's you. In the likely case it is not, explain the fight to people, let them know what to expect and what to do. If you still have problems, you may need to set up a PF, as silly as that is (but I understand, I've had people who still have problems with Titan HM had to PF it).

It really is a case of people being able to follow simple instructions the fight is not complicated at all. The two reasons I see a wipe are because people didn't listen to instructions about the orbs and just run around taking any colour they are near to the face. It's exactly the same as the first boss in WoD you need to alternate colours to be safe. The other reason and the main cause of wipes is because people panic during the meteor phase. All that will happen is a couple of meteors will drop taken by the Tanks with all their CD's then a tear appears that needs to be nuked so just need a melee DPS to LB3 then just burn it with the healers topping people off. Meteor phase done properly lasts no more than 30-40 seconds.

Nerfing is not the answer to everything because people learn nothing. Every dungeon,raid,trial etc teaches you something. Some of the new dungeons have stepped up in teaching people coordination and teamwork and that's a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Its cuz ppl don't read the little npc text that pops up.

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Exactly. Doing Steps for the first time. Most of us were new. Atleast one guy in the group had done it before. At the start a few of announced we were new, but that was it no further communication. So we just went at it. After a couple fails and constantly telling people to man the cannons (heck I even tried to man them with full mob in tow) finally made it to the point of the snares and the Dragon killer. Again a couple fails. The one guy who did it before says "someone needs to get on the snares and the tower at that point". Some else finally pipes up "oh now you tell us". I said "no one read the text that popped up on the screen telling you to do that?" No response. Cleared it with 30 seconds left. Ain't got time to read.