Astroligian easy fix please send it to Yoshi

Astroligian is a very fun class and a very hard class to play and to get the most of it, BUT there is a big problem with this class and its the DRAW ability and buff duration. 30sec for draw a card seem like an eternity for just a 15 or 20 buff duration plus when you use ROYAL ROAD is even worst the wait.

1. get Draw to 15sec this way we can pull a random card more often and keep those buff coming quick so we can have more ppl on a raid with several buff up and try to keep them with it as much as we can.

2. the buff duration is very low 15 seconds for a 10% attack or def buff its not good when the draw CD is to high and if you use royal road is even worst. I suggest 30sec. with Royal ROAD 15sec for BOLE AND BALANCE AND FOR the others 20sec under ROYAL ROAD.

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3. Buff re vamp.

BALANCE: 10% attack. magic attack 10%

BOLE: 10% magic and phsycal def and 5% regen every 5 sec of caster is MND and DEtermination of the one receiving the buff.

ARROW: lets add movement speed also to this buff for 5%.

SPEAR: this skill is fine

Spire: same buff just add a tp regen of 5 every 5 sec for the duration.

Ewer: same buff just Add mana regen by 10 every 4 seconds

This will make AST more of a buffer and better at supporting and throwing some heal and fix the mana problem since we could use the ewer buff on our self to get some extra mana while getting the reduction of 20% mana consumtion.

with the 15 sec on draw and longer bit of duration we could be pretty much do good buff rotations and keep ppl up with some buff.

Any other suggestion would be appreciated. thank you.

SEND It to YOSHI! XD

Balance works like raging strikes where it modifies damage based off % and not stats.

Adding resource-regen to those buffs would be overpowered. Bards and Machinists cover external sources for resource recovery.

If you reduce draw time and increase buff time, you could literally have full-time buffs on players. Though RNG plays a part, you could theoretically pull out 3 Balances and Empower it to whatever % it is (I'm bad at math) and keep it up for 45 seconds with Time Dilation. That's ridiculous considering how Raging Strikes is on a relatively lengthy cooldown that lasts 20'ish seconds... and increases damage dealt by 20%. The only buff I've been inching towards to is combining Ewer and Spire together as it's annoying getting one over another when a situation calls for a specific one. Bole is another story, but there haven't been situations where it was needed, but nice to have.

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Originally Posted by Parawill

Balance works like raging strikes where it modifies damage based off % and not stats.

Adding resource-regen to those buffs would be overpowered. Bards and Machinists cover external sources for resource recovery.

If you reduce draw time and increase buff time, you could literally have full-time buffs on players. Though RNG plays a part, you could theoretically pull out 3 Balances and Empower it to whatever % it is (I'm bad at math) and keep it up for 45 seconds with Time Dilation. That's ridiculous considering how Raging Strikes is on a relatively lengthy cooldown that lasts 20'ish seconds... and increases damage dealt by 20%. The only buff I've been inching towards to is combining Ewer and Spire together as it's annoying getting one over another when a situation calls for a specific one. Bole is another story, but there haven't been situations where it was needed, but nice to have.

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While I largely agree with your post, the one part of the OP's that I sympathize with... I just wish we got to play with our cards more often. I takes a second or two every cooldown, and if you RR it or something then you're just waiting even more. I kinda see what SE intended there... exchanging time for more powerful buffs... But at the same time, I do wish the card part was more active instead of "do something every 30s, then forget about it".

Another point for consideration... none of these buffs compare to simply DPSing on a SCH. Hey, even WHM does OK on single target with the high potency stone III now.

Everyone thinks they have the best solution yoshi p will decide what to do with the job

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

-snip- Another point for consideration... none of these buffs compare to simply DPSing on a SCH. Hey, even WHM does OK on single target with the high potency stone III now.

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Oh no worries, I sympathize too. I would love that 15 second draw time, but combining all the suggestions wouldn't work too well. I believe that SCH/AST would be better for a DPS oriented group, but I'm just speculating, so no basis or facts here! (Prove me wrong, Alexander >;D).

And I agree. I believe SE's trade-off for Astrologian is that they sacrifice their own strength by improving the performance of others in their group. Just need some number crunchers to figure out this Arrow/Balance buff thing in terms of DPS (and if there is already, linky please! I like reading!)

On a side note (which is slightly off-topic), how much potency is Stone III? It looks fantastic and I can't wait until I get my White Mage to 60 >.<

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Originally Posted by Parawill

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Stone III is 210 potency. This is really nice since previously, Holy (200 potency) was our best DPS even for a single target -- just it has the huge MP cost.

I don't want to speculate too much before the theorycrafters come back with hard data on level 60 stuff but... Well, in fcob we had some scholars pulling >300 DPS, but I'm also thinking of dungeons. That's, you know, pretty much half an extra DPS slot, if not a bit more? a 10%/15% buff for a few seconds, or a 10% buff for a few more seconds with extended RR... You don't need a parse to tell that that just isn't going to compare. If you had an fcob DPS doing 550, that's 55 extra DPS and only for a short duration.

It wont be that Op because of this "proactive" even with a 15sec CD on DRaw you wont get the card you want so that will put you on hold like " eh should I let it go or use it along with Royal road right now?" On this moment with 30sec CD this decision just delayed you to provide a buff to someone because you dont want to use your increase time buff RR for a Spire card buff.. you get what I'm trying to resolve here, It's the waste of time on a long CD to make it even worst... One buff every 30 sec for one person.. why not to keep at least 2 to 3 ppl with it and not just 1 and spam heals and heals .. for that get a WHM then and forget the AST, yet TIME DILATION have it own CD every min so you cant spam Time Dilation to give buff more time to everyone but just one person and if that happen increase Time Dilation CD to 2 or 3 min. Yet the MAna regen would help a lot.

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

Everyone thinks they have the best solution yoshi p will decide what to do with the job

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Nocturnal sect Collective unconscious exists
Yoshi P does not always make the best decisions.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

Nocturnal sect Collective unconscious exists
Yoshi P does not always make the best decisions.

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The Diurnal Sect, while a bit better, is pretty horrible too. 18 seconds of standing still in a mechanic heavy game is pretty ridiculous.

It's a pretty easy fix though, make it an 18 second Aura that moves with us and allows us to cast at the same time.

Lol... Seriously? You aren't playing cards, you are a healer with a support system involving cards BUT your job is healing, not only supporting.
The cards system is simply perfect the way it is. And Who complains about it maybe has not understood how this job works.

Except that drawing cards takes up a large chunk of class identity and utility - and I get the feeling it's why our primary healing skills output is less than the more focused job counterparts, WHM and SCH - sometimes as much as half the potency of comparable skills. It feels like everything we do is not at the same potential as our fellow healers and drawing cards is somehow to make up for it. That AST is intended to be a support healer rather than just healer.

Keep in mind that SCH's fairy can put out a comparable speed buff with about the same uptime as Draw. This is in addition to providing supplementary heals, AoE esuna, and can be hotswapped for a fairy that increases healing potency and casts a superior AoE regen. It also provides buffer time to pump out supplementary DPS, up to about half a proper damage dealers worth.

WHM has multiple regens with superior output, a superior stoneskin, TWO massive heals to our one, heal potency c/d, access to Eye for an Eye and Virus, and superior base healing output. Pure focused healing.

What may help is that casting Royal Road reduces the recast time on Draw. By 15 seconds maybe. So in effect this Draw/Play phase comes out at 45s for a maybe better card than before. This is justifiable by the fact that Balance and Bole are only 1.5x as effective. Right now you give up two card draws for 1.5x the benefit? That doesn't really make any sense. How are we getting a 'buffed card' when we're in fact getting poorer effective buff performance. In reality none of the card draws are buffed as you're just condensing two card draws worth of buffing into a single card, (aside from the aforementioned Bole/Balance). Furthermore, there's balance to this in the fact that you're taking a risk by re-drawing - you may get an inferior card to the one you had before, a ewer or spire instead of Balance or Arrow.

Additionaly, the duration of all cards should be 20s base, not just some of them. This way we're providing effectively a DPS cooldown on any of the cards we draw - considering that the effects on cards like Balance and Bole are half the effectiveness of a propper cooldown. This would make up for lackluster healer DPS at least - bear in mind again that AST heals and shielding/regen provide less of a buffer for time to DPS than other jobs. One of our AoE effects doesn't even let us do anything for it's 18s duration.

Edit: And to expand on some of the difference in healing power that we see between say, a WHM and AST:
Regen, 21s of 150 potency healing. That's 3150 total healing potency over it's duration. It's an instant cast.
Aspected Benefic in Dirunal Sect. 190 potency up front. 18s of 100 potency. That's 1990 total healing potency. With the 5% heal buff it's 2089.5.
Whats this mean? Well Regen is 1.5x better than Aspected Benefic!

How about our Nocturnal Aspected Benefic vs. Scholars?
250 (262.5 with the 5% healing buff from stance) potency with a shield for the amount of healing done. Vs 300 potency with a shield for the amount of healing done.

If we stance to heal and regen like a WHM, we're inferior to a WHM's output. If we stance to heal and shield like a SCH, we're inferior to SCH.

except raging strikes is one little class ability from archer and cards are basically the whole scholar class.
with the 30 secs and average luck its worse than 1 selene skill.
And by "it" i mean the whole astro class mechanic.

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Originally Posted by lordparanoia

Lol... Seriously? You aren't playing cards, you are a healer with a support system involving cards BUT your job is healing, not only supporting.
The cards system is simply perfect the way it is. And Who complains about it maybe has not understood how this job works.

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The cards are far FAR from perfect and saying otherwise means you know nothing of the class.

It's super perfect to have a 17% chance to draw the card you want/need but instead get 6 spires in a row with a caster party. Tank might love you but you brought nothing for the others.

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Originally Posted by Emonik

The Diurnal Sect, while a bit better, is pretty horrible too. 18 seconds of standing still in a mechanic heavy game is pretty ridiculous.

It's a pretty easy fix though, make it an 18 second Aura that moves with us and allows us to cast at the same time.

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Another Cool idea for collective unconscious

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Originally Posted by Emonik

It's a pretty easy fix though, make it an 18 second Aura that moves with us and allows us to cast at the same time.

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That would be a good fix. But I don't think the game engine could easily adapt such a thing. At least, I haven't seen any aura effects in this game that move seamlessly with a character or enemy. On the other hand, that could be circumvented with a spell that pulses in an AoE every X seconds to reapply a buff. Not perfect - but if it works in HotS it can work here.

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Originally Posted by Eisenhower

That would be a good fix. But I don't think the game engine could easily adapt such a thing. At least, I haven't seen any aura effects in this game that move seamlessly with a character or enemy. On the other hand, that could be circumvented with a spell that pulses in an AoE every X seconds to reapply a buff. Not perfect - but if it works in HotS it can work here.

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I'd be happy if you could at least just simply drop the bubble. Anything that's not completely locking you out from spell casting is fine by me.

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Originally Posted by Eisenhower

That would be a good fix. But I don't think the game engine could easily adapt such a thing. At least, I haven't seen any aura effects in this game that move seamlessly with a character or enemy. On the other hand, that could be circumvented with a spell that pulses in an AoE every X seconds to reapply a buff. Not perfect - but if it works in HotS it can work here.

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You have seen them, but not realized it. Bard songs are auras from the bard. So it is possible to do.

Honestly, the biggest complaint I see in game about the class is astrologians not using cards at all. Why do people not use their cards on a class where it is an integral part of how it plays?

So serious question: how often do you actually get a buff up in an average dungeon run?

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Originally Posted by UOdhn

You have seen them, but not realized it. Bard songs are auras from the bard. So it is possible to do.

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Oh. Right. Well then. Carry on citizen.