AST mana problems.

I conserve my mana as much as possible but to no avail. I'm always out of mana I used my refresh and than its just bad news when the 15 secs are up. I don't even have time to play with the cards. Im a fresh 60 and o can't eve. Do the new duns due to thus problem.

If you're not using cards, you're not conserving your mana as much as possible. (5/6 cards "conserve mana", by lowering the required heal output, making the fight shorter or straight up lowering mana costs) You can always draw a card after using Aspected Benefic/Exalted Detriment without really lowering your Heals per second. You should also use Refresh asap, so you're able to use it twice during a longer battle.

A fresh level 60 AST will always have this problem, no matter what cards or how awesome your combo is. The 60 dungeons are made for ilvl 150~160.

Once you've geared up and your mana shoots past 12k it won't be so much of a problem.

Although I never use that card on myself because it's more useful to monks with greased lightning or others, if you are having that much trouble with MP, you could use the CD reduction card on yourself, then use the MP refresh skill, and then the stun / 5 second extension skill (the lvl 60 one). This way, you will recover the skill faster, and it will last 5 more seconds, which is probably just 1 or 2 more ticks.

Sorry, my memory is too bad to remember the names of skills. :P But that combo would help you with your MP issues.

You can also try to get some gear with Piety to have some extra mana.

^ That is what I did when I solo healed bismark, whm fell off the edge right at the start. I would save all my spear cards and use them with my refresh, plus using mega ethers. It was only HM but still very low ilvl so it was hard.

We're you a healer before 3.0? You need to focus mainly on using only benefic I, alot of people don't think they can keep the tank up doing this but most the time you can. Only use II when its really necessary. Once you've used about 2k mp use refresh.

All of these tips are good but also don't forget about Essential dignity as a cooldown ability, when the tanks health dips under half instead of using two benefics or a benefic II use essential to bring him back up, the more often you keep that effectively used and on cooldown the less mana you chug.

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Originally Posted by Hopebringer

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Where are you seeing that 5/6 cards help you conserve mana. I am reading each card now and only 1 of those cards mentions a reduction of mana cost by 20% for 20 seconds. You can't even use time dialation on yourself to increase the timer on that.
The Balance - increases target damage dealt by 10%
The Bole - Reduces targets damage taken
The Arrow - Increases attack speed
The Spear - reduces recast timer
The Ewer - reduces MP cost
The Spire - Reduces TP Cost

Only one card directly affects our mana use. The other cards simply aid the other members by doing this it "MAY" shorten the fight. Also lets not forget even using spread, shuffle, and royal road its still random on the draw. You can't replicate your draw to effectively draw the Ewer card every time. So please anybody explain to me what I am missing on these cards that 5/6 reduce mana cost directly.

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Originally Posted by Donarudo

Only one card directly affects our mana use. The other cards simply aid the other members by doing this it "MAY" shorten the fight. Also lets not forget even using spread, shuffle, and royal road its still random on the draw. You can't replicate your draw to effectively draw the Ewer card every time. So please anybody explain to me what I am missing on these cards that 5/6 reduce mana cost directly.

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He put the "reduce mana" in quotation marks since he meant it as indirect reduction. Bole decreases the amount you have to heal, Arrow/Balance increase DPS (shorter fight = less to heal), Spear affects Luminiferous Aether's CD, and Ewer is pretty obvious. Spire is the only card which will most likely neither affect your MP costs nor have a noticeable effect on the fight length, hence 5/6.

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Originally Posted by Elendia

He put the "reduce mana" in quotation marks since he meant it as indirect reduction. Bole decreases the amount you have to heal, Arrow/Balance increase DPS (shorter fight = less to heal), Spear affects Luminiferous Aether's CD, and Ewer is pretty obvious. Spire is the only card which will most likely neither affect your MP costs nor have a noticeable effect on the fight length, hence 5/6.

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I disagree with you. He/she specifically stated "conserve mana" they do not specifically reduce mana cost. Also where does it state that Spear directly affects Luminiferous Aether's CD? I will state again only 1 of those six abilities "directly" affects MP cost. It still does not address the underlying issue that AST's do have mana issues even using proper buffs to "conserve mana" as was stated in his/her post.

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Originally Posted by Donarudo

I disagree with you. He/she specifically stated "conserve mana" they do not specifically reduce mana cost. Also where does it state that Spear directly affects Luminiferous Aether's CD? I will state again only 1 of those six abilities "directly" affects MP cost. It still does not address the underlying issue that AST's do have mana issues even using proper buffs to "conserve mana" as was stated in his/her post.

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6/6 of the cards do directly effect mp consumption. Faster you kill the enemy the less mp you spend. And spear lowers all job CDs, I use it for my refresh all the time. Even spire allows the dps to continue burning to to kill faster. How can you discount that when its one of astros core mechanics?

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Originally Posted by Krixus

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I am not discounting them. I am just having a hard time understanding how they directly affect mana conservation. Here is why. Is the draw not random? Even with having shuffle = and spread and so forth? Also lets be honest each encounter is not always going to be the optimal encounter. I want to better understand so I ask these questions the way I do for a reason. The job is new to me, but I am not new to healing. WHM/SCH. So by asking my questions the way I am I will learn. However I do still disagree on some points. Maybe because of the wording of the abilities I am not sure. I get that they may shorten the fight. However we all know fights are usually extended for many reason. Short term AST's manage mana well. Long term is where I feel there is an issue. Maybe I am doing something wrong, but I am not afraid to be criticized if I am.

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Originally Posted by Donarudo

I disagree with you. He/she specifically stated "conserve mana" they do not specifically reduce mana cost. Also where does it state that Spear directly affects Luminiferous Aether's CD? I will state again only 1 of those six abilities "directly" affects MP cost. It still does not address the underlying issue that AST's do have mana issues even using proper buffs to "conserve mana" as was stated in his/her post.

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Nobody said anything about the cards covering the MP problem - AST has MP problems, that is correct. What the poster said is that the OP can conserve mana with the cards in some way. 5 of the 6 cards can lower your MP usage directly or indirectly as laid out earlier.

So here is what I found out so you guys don't think I was just being a jerk. I went back and tested what Elendia and Krixus told me. Here is what I learned. I was misusing Lumi, I didn't fully understand the cards until you two pointed out obvious things which I clearly did not understand. Secondly as stated I do now see why to use spear in conjuction with lumi. Simply put I did not understand it until you two pointed it out. As Elendia stated yep mana issues still, but at least now fully understanding I can make informed decisions as a AST. Thank you guys

I almost ALWAYS save or use the spear card for myself.

The ability cooldown reduction affects all abilities, including Luminiferous Aether (refresh).

Also, try using the ewer on yourself as well. At level 60, it reduces the potencies by a lot, especially Helios and Aspected Helios.

If you are having problems, try casting Aspected Benefic and Helios on the tank and cast Time Dilation on them. Both regens last for 30 seconds and that requires less healing.
If a lot of AoE is going out, don't be afraid to cast Synastry on the tank either. So instead of using Helios, you can use Benefic on other party members and those heals affect the tank as well.

I had that problem in the Vault, but now that I understand all these little things, life is easier. Also make sure you are geared correctly, especially your weapon.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

I almost ALWAYS save or use the spear card for myself.

The ability cooldown reduction affects all abilities, including Luminiferous Aether (refresh).

Also, try using the ewer on yourself as well. At level 60, it reduces the potencies by a lot, especially Helios and Aspected Helios.

If you are having problems, try casting Aspected Benefic and Helios on the tank and cast Time Dilation on them. Both regens last for 30 seconds and that requires less healing.
If a lot of AoE is going out, don't be afraid to cast Synastry on the tank either. And instead of using Helios to heal, you can simply use Benefic.

I had that problem in the Vault, but now that I understand all these little things, life is easier. Also make sure you are geared correctly, especially your weapon.

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Thanks for the tips. I will be sure to do this .

I figured out what it was. I didn't have a lot of determination on the gear I had which caused me having to spend more mana. I also didn't have decent dps in my dun so that made it even harder on me. Thanks everyone for the tips. : )

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

I almost ALWAYS save or use the spear card for myself.

The ability cooldown reduction affects all abilities, including Luminiferous Aether (refresh).

Also, try using the ewer on yourself as well. At level 60, it reduces the potencies by a lot, especially Helios and Aspected Helios.

If you are having problems, try casting Aspected Benefic and Helios on the tank and cast Time Dilation on them. Both regens last for 30 seconds and that requires less healing.
If a lot of AoE is going out, don't be afraid to cast Synastry on the tank either. So instead of using Helios, you can use Benefic on other party members and those heals affect the tank as well.

I had that problem in the Vault, but now that I understand all these little things, life is easier. Also make sure you are geared correctly, especially your weapon.

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Aspected Benefic is only 18 seconds unless you meant after using Time Dilation.

It's not much, but Celestial Opposition also effects Luminiferous Aether for 5 extra seconds on your mp regen.

Astrologian has no mana problems if you are not pretending to be a scholar and spamming your shield only.

It's kinda sad to say that "you'll be fine once your overgear the content" but hey.

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Originally Posted by Shamirah

It's kinda sad to say that "you'll be fine once your overgear the content" but hey.

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Well its a two way street. If tanks are trying to speed run dungeons under geared then the healer is going to have mana issue just trying to keep the guy alive. If DPS can't burn through the pack of mobs fast enough then healer has to use more mana too. It's all relative.

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Originally Posted by Colonel_Hathi

It's not much, but Celestial Opposition also effects Luminiferous Aether for 5 extra seconds on your mp regen.

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I did not think of this, thanks for the tip ^^