Monk Chakra

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I think its becoming apparent that people are finding the chakra system to be annoying and very lack luster, In my experience of it its not very useful even in down time of combat. Yes it can be used but being as maintaining Greased Lightning is priority, Form Shift is used before Meditation during down time, not allowing for time to build stacks effectively in short instances of down time.

I've been mulling this over trying to think of reasonable ways to fix this and came to a conclusion that id like to be considered (i would like opinions on them too!)

My idea is to change Form Shift, making it a off globle ability allowing the use of ONE ability regardless of stance with a short cool down of say 30 seconds. This allows the ability to for fill its intended purpose of making Greased Lighting easier to maintain or gain, while making the ability itself still useless in standard rotation i.e during up time. (being as most players will spam Form Shift to get to coeurl stance stance this just cuts away the needless spamming while still keeping the skill the same as it is.)

Also, this would make the ability less precedent in down time over using meditation. as such making meditation more viable and slightly more easy to actually incorporate in a fight. thus allowing it to be used more and not feel so useless.

I personally feel that 5 stacks is far too many but if this was implemented it wouldn't be so bad (3 would be better in my opinion but that's neither here nor there.)

On another note. Please for the love of god allow us to gain full stacks instantly outside of combat. the spam is annoying, boring, time consuming and takes so much fun away from an amazing class.

oh, and yay for the confirmation that different sound effects for Meditation are coming!

You're right in what you're saying, even though there are many fights where you never would need to use Shift Form to keep GL, or you would lose it either way... but if they were to make such a big change, I would rather they just change Meditate directly, and make it be a bigger part of your rotation.

There are many ways they could've done Meditate, so that it would be useful when there are no downtime, as well as when there are downtime...

One idea that just popped into my head, would be for Meditate to also give you another buff, that increased your damage of the next 3-4 (or something) abilities you use(only GCD). No duration, just 3-4 abilities. The buff would be equal to using another ability instead. It could then also be used even when not hitting anything, and it would still not have any CD... but you wouldn't gain anything using it more often than after every 3-4 GCD when you can hit an enemy. Would ofc create some problems, but something like this could work. That's just 1 out of countless options they could have used.

Now my solution, I like all of ur ideas btw.

1) chakra does not give any buffs what's so ever except for the use of WS forbforbidden chakra. Give chakra a buff similar to wrath except 1 stack = 1% dmg increase. So 5 stack will be nice. And make it a separate cool down and not with WS cool down for fck sakes.

2) fix if no changes to meditation gives FC a 40/50% of not eating chakra stacks

3) gain chakra stack when GL is refresh, if devs r worried about spamming Fc then increase it cool down

4) able to gain chakra similar to how wrath is obtained.

If no changes to meditation since it impossible then copy 1 and increase pot of FC and TK so they can ususefull.

That's my rant. We have gotten nothing no improvement s what's so ever. Drg got pot increase in there jumps and a party wide crit increase.

Ninja got life surge buff and Armor crush which extends huton.

We got what broken meditation. Purification I will never use since I'll be using FC. I can't complain about Tk since I understand what yoshi is trying to do but man plz increase the pot of it.

A beef in featherfoot r u fcking kidding me lol.

That's my rant. I'll b playing mnk since I'm hardcore and I luv the job but I am not blind that the garbage we have gotten us garbage

Purification has it's uses in dungeons / when AoEing.

I love Purification and EF for making us able to effectivly Aoe. Amazing abilitys, but its getting access to EF thats a pain, FB is nice but again the access...

Form shift, while useful, the spamming is just unneeded i think at least the change i suggested would makes Meditation a bit more bearable. not by much but at least a little.

As for the holy noise comment i disagree, Holy spam is done to literally annoy people when spammed however we manditorily have to use our spam which is god awful. but at least we know they are changing the sound :)

as much as increasing the potency of TK and FC would be beneficial it still doesn't fix the core issue that Meditation's intended use isn't very viable nor user friendly.

I use invig so there. If mobs r not dead yet then there something is wrong

For the holy comment so why agree on changing the sounds of meditation when there was nothing done to holy and ROT. Wasted resources I say.

The buff on tk and Fc was just an idea if nothing gets done with med.

I think your wrong Zerilan, So far ive come to realize the extra 300 Tp goes a long way with AoE (especially after you have expended your invigorate on the last big pull and another follows) and extended fights as long as the stacks are saved

No offense, but whether Purification is useful for AoE in dungeons or not is besides the point... cause you shouldn't have an ability that is only good in a dungeon. At least not in an expansion with only 5 abilities that are supposed to address the jobs disadvantages and/or just make the jobs feel fresh.

Purification could actually have been a very good addition to monk if it had nothing to do with Chakra or worked in another way... but why would I gather 5 stacks of Chakra only to use it on TP, when you wanna have a BRD/MCH give you that anyways? If you have a NIN in your party, you would just use his Goad, and he would need TP from BRD/MCH around the same time anyways, and even though DRGs last longer, it wouldn't make a huge difference for the BRD/MCH to use their TP regen earlier anyways.

In raids, which they should have focused most on, it's totally useless IMO. Maybe if there are some AoE phase in the raid where you need some extra burst TP, but that's a very limited use.

Except for AoE, you need the most TP when there's not downtime, but you can't use Meditation during that scenario unless you wanna totally screw over your DPS.

Think we have drifted away from the point of my post :P whether or not Purification is useful the access to it needs to be addressed in my opinion.

Im really looking to see if people can see any faults with my idea to sort this or not whether its something to potentially look at. :)

Regardless of whether Purification is useful or not the fact that The chakra system doesnt work. and something needs to change.

Anyone got any opinions of my fix? :D

There r plenty which been me too n the Monk page and other pages with complain about chakra and med. It's all up to the devs. All we need to do as mnk players we just need to spam the boared with fix med/ chakra pages here or call yoshi directly. Untill then we just wait and see.

I agree that mnk is underwhelming right now and I feel like there are a lot of viable things they can do to make it better while basically still keeping the same stuff; however, I've already started leveling another class because I don't feel like anything is going to get changed. And if it does, I don't think it'll be changed any time soon.

I like your ideas. I hate having to spam meditation after every fight. I hope they lower the number of chakra needed for each skill even if it means lowering the potency a bit. 2 chakra for purification and 4 for forbidden chakra would feel a lot better. Still allow us to stack to five chakra.

While we're throwing out ideas, I always hoped they would do something a bit more creative with fists of fire, wind, and earth. Maybe change the effect of some abilities depending on which fists we have up. Gain 2 stacks of chakra per meditate while fists of earth is active. Give each weaponskill a chance at adding greased lighting while in fists of wind. Stuff like that.