New ranged LBs

Does anyone else think that they still won't be used? Melee has the single target, high potency lb. BLMs have the aoe one covered. I just don't see a middle damage straight line missable LB getting any real use in full parties unless the potency was the same as the Melee ones.

They're useful in Dungeons when you have two ranged physical DPS in the party. Before that meant no LB at all. And in cases where there's a caster and a ranged physical DPS, the ranged character is going to do more damage on a single target using their LB than the caster will. So no, it's probably not going to be the go-to for raid situations, but there are uses in some content.

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Originally Posted by FaerieAura

They're useful in Dungeons when you have two ranged physical DPS in the party. Before that meant no LB at all. And in cases where there's a caster and a ranged physical DPS, the ranged character is going to do more damage on a single target using their LB than the caster will. So no, it's probably not going to be the go-to for raid situations, but there are uses in some content.

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Yeah, the first two levels will be used in dungeons. I'm talking about full parties. I just don't see the point in having cool, individual level 3 limit breaks if they're almost never going to be used.

hmmm melee for single , mage for aoe , and Ranged for boss + adds lined up ...to be fair the ranged LB should get a boost (10% ~ ) since there is a position requeriment

They are useful against bosses with adds. Tank clusters them and Ranged DPS wipes out the adds and still damages the boss.

From the couple times I've seen it used, it's a fairly wide line attack. I'd say something is going wrong if you're missing with it significantly. And, it fits the classes better than a healer limit break, in lore if not utility.

I think you just need to accept that the opportunity to use it may be less than that of a melee DPS, just as if you were a caster.

I'm wondering if there might be some "Romeo and Juliet" (have to kill both at around same time)-style fights coming in the new raid(s) that might benefit from a long line LB. Imagining a fight where you have to keep them really far apart but they need to die at same time.

Do you know how much damage it does relative to the caster AoE LB?

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Do you know how much damage it does relative to the caster AoE LB?

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It takes forever to test, but from what myself and a few friends have seen (by running the same dungeon over and over), the damage relationship is Melee LB > Ranged LB > Caster LB in terms of damage, which is pretty fair since it follows the paradigm of Most restrictive -> Least restrictive.

That certainly seems balanced to me.

You default to melee LB.
If all adds are stacked close enough or linear, use ranged LB.
Otherwise use caster LB.

Well, there are certain raid situations in which one tank takes the mobs to a side of the room while the boss is being tanked across, right?
With the Ranged LB you can hit both packs.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

That certainly seems balanced to me.

You default to melee LB.
If all adds are stacked close enough or linear, use ranged LB.
Otherwise use caster LB.

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Ranged will probably be preferred for Cleave type aoe (2 big adds and the boss) in particular, which isn't uncommon.
Or when the adds can be stacked as you said.

There'll probably be situations when you need a wider AoE. But if ranged does more damage (which it should) then Caster will probably be more of a niche.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

I just don't see a middle damage straight line missable LB getting any real use in full parties unless the potency was the same as the Melee ones.

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What? So you want to make it superior to the melee LB3.
No, even there's more positioning that's silly.

It should be mid way between melee and caster damage. That's balanced.
I don't know if it is or isn't that way right now.

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Originally Posted by Arkenne

Well, there are certain raid situations in which one tank takes the mobs to a side of the room while the boss is being tanked across, right?
With the Ranged LB you can hit both packs.

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I don't think it takes up the whole room.
Here's a gif from reddit.

Note: The MCH casts, then moves forward to cast again. The first time he does casts, you can see the whole range of it on the screen.
The second time, the end of it goes off screen.
He also gets pushed back when doing it and you can seem the attack doesn't hit everything (if the animation is accurate). It basically hits where the original cast outlines.

So that's like 2/3's of Ifrit's circle room? So I don't know if you can hit things on the opposite end in most cases.

I used LB3 in Battle in the Big Keep on Greg. I *intentionally* (that's my story and am sticking to it!) got Greg & the healer chain. What got me was the damage shown on screen.. ~15800 for Greg and about 10400 for the chained healer. iLvl125 with zeta & Crit/Det bard setup, at the time i was right about early lvl 51 or late lvl 50.

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Originally Posted by Miah_Dakwhil

I used LB3 in Battle in the Big Keep on Greg. I *intentionally* (that's my story and am sticking to it!) got Greg & the healer chain. What got me was the damage shown on screen.. ~15800 for Greg and about 10400 for the chained healer. iLvl125 with zeta & Crit/Det bard setup, at the time i was right about early lvl 51 or late lvl 50.

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Just so you know, Limit Breaks are scaled based on all of the party's weapon damage averaged out.
Your personal stats, buffs or level don't matter.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

I just don't see a middle damage straight line missable LB getting any real use in full parties unless the potency was the same as the Melee ones.

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I'm not sure what would qualify a miss on a bard LB, I've used rank 2 on the final boss of Neverreap and after the animation, he was pretty much behind me, no where near where the animation says the shot went. Still hit though. Unless you mean miss as in it misses adds that do run out of the animation? But it appears that as long as you have your target targeted when you cast, it will hit... the target at least. Untargeted adds, maybe not?

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Originally Posted by Kataz

I'm not sure what would qualify a miss on a bard LB, I've used rank 2 on the final boss of Neverreap and after the animation, he was pretty much behind me, no where near where the animation says the shot went. Still hit though. Unless you mean miss as in it misses adds that do run out of the animation? But it appears that as long as you have your target targeted when you cast, it will hit... the target at least. Untargeted adds, maybe not?

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The mob boss was probably still in the targeted area when your caster bar finished. So long as they're in that zone when the cast bar is full, it doesn't matter where they are post animation. I can safely say that it is possible to miss... I didn't lock on my first time using it... and my cat bumped my elbow, which made me hit the joystick... which made me LB a wall.

:-|

Ranged LB is now the go to LB for before a pull that will wipe your LB since its stronger than Mage.

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

Just so you know, Limit Breaks are scaled based on all of the party's weapon damage averaged out.
Your personal stats, buffs or level don't matter.

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Thanks! I couldn't remember if it was an average of the group or based off highest level player. :)

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Originally Posted by Miah_Dakwhil

Thanks! I couldn't remember if it was an average of the group or based off highest level player. :)

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It also means you want your weakest (or recently dead) dps to do the LB.

What's the cast time on the ranged LB? Is it comparable to the cast time on the caster LB?