Smn class that doesn't summon the primals....

Like the title says....

A class idea for a summoner class where you don't summon the classic FF primals like shiva ifrit titan etc etc....but instead you summon new "spirits."

This will make the primals more godly and epic for the storyline and not mess up the lore and stuff. And with creating new "spirits" you could make summoner very original since your not bound by the "traditional" abilities.

Just please dont make summoner a hybrid class like it was in XI....pick a direction for the class and stick with it. Make it either pure Damage, pure support, pure healer, pure tank, or a mix of ONLY TWO!! not 3 or 4...but TWO! lol....

Ideas:

Smn as a Damager/Support class

Spirit : Bomb King
Summon Bomb King, Once summoned he casts Fire three times, each time growing larger in size, after the 3rd cast he explodes and deals AoE fire damage. higher levels changes the tier of fire cast and the damage of the explosion.

Spirit : Mog
Summon Mog, once summoned he does a dance, depending on what day of the week it is depends on what dance he does. Once he dances, he dismisses himself.

Fireday: Does En-fire to all party members

Either can make him do en-element for each day..or something completely different.

Spirit: Tonberry
Summon Tonberry, once summoned he attacks the target, each melee hit has a chance of inflicting A debuff of some sort....after x amount of stacks of the debuff the summoner can tell tonberry to use "Everyone's Grudge".... once he does "Everyone's Grudge" it does y amount of damage to the target
for each stack of the debuff.

Just an Idea.....

Hmm, I like the idea of it, simply because it's a way to introduce the SMN class/job without disturbing the Lore. However, I think what they SHOULD do is introduce a series of summons to either mimic or parallel the primals.

For the mimic idea, they would be like vessels that take on the shape and styles of the primals.

For the parallel idea, they could come up with a series of summons that are the good, non-violent versions of the primals. And eventually, what they could do is whenever you beat some of the primal summons, you convert them to the "good side" and they are then summon-able.

I was gonna post a thread after 1.19 with a suggestion if (and only IF) we are not gaining the ability to summon the primals after defeating them. I had thought of an ability that would call forth the primal you wanted and it would turn itself into armor for DoW/M classes and have certain actions boosted as a result. Kinda like the summons in ff13 turning ito vehicles, but you get to wear them as armor :D

Interesting ideas, but I rather liked the versatility of the SMN job in FFXI. Not that I'm advocating they make a replica, but if they introduced a SMN class/job in FFXIV I'd be pretty bummed about not being able to summon and control the primals - even if they weren't at their "maximum" power (such as displayed in the stories).

They should let you summon King Diamond. Then I would start to feel like this game was making REAL progress.

Tanaka said you could summon the primals in his version of the game. But it would take lot's of time and chain of quest to be allow to use them. His version of the game also said we could learn from the beastman like Spells,recipes"For craft, New abilities.

How the lore went in his version was that not all beastman was evil some thought that war would bring peace to the world. But some beastman thought that being friends and talking over would bring peace.


"Just my idea"To my understand was that you could go to each beastman do chain of quest and become friends with such beastman and when you reach a high friendship with them you be allow to learn to summon there primals as Respect. Now to learn how to Summon more then 1 beastman would have issue "spoilers Warning" When ifrit was summon by the beastman he said he would help but only if we did not ask the other Primals for help. It seem some of the primals dislike eachother. Now this does not mean we could not be allow to summon more then one but it seem it be harder as you go on and have to do more chain of quest to make the beastman like eachother enough to allow you to make other pack with other Primal.

I think this is what Tanaka version of the game would have turn out to be. I still think yoshi-p should do this and allow us to be friend beastman and learn from them and even make pack with them. When smn do come out allow them to ask the primals to use there god in a fight. I don't see how the lore can get mess up when you could easy come up with a loop hole to make this happen.

I was thinking it would be interesting if summoners were allowed to summon primals, but you could only choose one of them. This also would not violate the lore and I think it would make for interesting gameplay. By forcing the player to choose which summon they want to make a pact with, it makes each summoner unique. You'd end up with some people who have ifrit, some who have titan, some garuda, etc etc. Each would have their own pros and cons. For example ifrit may be more suited for battle where as something like garuda may be more support oriented. So by choosing a certain primal it determines the summoners role in a party.

Of course summoners would also have the basic abilities from the classes like cure so forth. So depending on what primal you choose and how you fill your action bar, you could have a pretty unique class.

Easy alternative to the Primals: Make it so Summoners can call upon FFXIV versions of the Zodiac Beasts in the Ivalice games.

While nice to think of having the Summoner class, we don't even know when they plan to implement Arcanist(sp) and Musketeer, let alone Summoner.

I liked how the world of Ivalice (FF12, FFT) did this. They named their airships after the traditional summons instead and gave the espers different identities.

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Originally Posted by Hazmatyre

I liked how the world of Ivalice (FF12, FFT) did this. They named their airships after the traditional summons instead and gave the espers different identities.

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I'm all for keeping the primals what they are and use the Ivalice Espers for SMN spells in this game~

I'd love to see some FFXIV redesigns of summons like Framfrit, Belias, and Adrammelech.

But normal mobs? No thanks.

Hi Sypher,

I appreciate you coming up w/ an alternative to using the real summons since they're mentioned as Primals in this lore so far, but for me, "Summoner" = "Cool character that can summon Ifrit, Shiva, Bahamut, Titan, Leviathan, etc." (^_^)

That's one of the pillars of past Final Fantasy games (Ivalice notwithstanding). I'd love to see a real, exciting rendition of Summoner, where you can summon all our favorite Summons from Final Fantasy's long, rich history. :)

We'll look into it.

Mog is in IX, Tonberry is in VIII. Flaws appear.

(two of the best of the serise)

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Tanaka said you could summon the primals in his version of the game. But it would take lot's of time and chain of quest to be allow to use them. His version of the game also said we could learn from the beastman like Spells,recipes"For craft, New abilities.

How the lore went in his version was that not all beastman was evil some thought that war would bring peace to the world. But some beastman thought that being friends and talking over would bring peace.


"Just my idea"To my understand was that you could go to each beastman do chain of quest and become friends with such beastman and when you reach a high friendship with them you be allow to learn to summon there primals as Respect. Now to learn how to Summon more then 1 beastman would have issue "spoilers Warning" When ifrit was summon by the beastman he said he would help but only if we did not ask the other Primals for help. It seem some of the primals dislike eachother. Now this does not mean we could not be allow to summon more then one but it seem it be harder as you go on and have to do more chain of quest to make the beastman like eachother enough to allow you to make other pack with other Primal.

I think this is what Tanaka version of the game would have turn out to be. I still think yoshi-p should do this and allow us to be friend beastman and learn from them and even make pack with them. When smn do come out allow them to ask the primals to use there god in a fight. I don't see how the lore can get mess up when you could easy come up with a loop hole to make this happen.

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Tanaka said a lot of things... and I can't forgive him for rushing the game and releasing it the way he did as an unfinished mess. His "vision" ended up being a big embarrassment. I'm not trying to flame, I'm just glad he got replaced and the game is slowly improving. And we're already friends with the Slyphs and some of the Goblins and Qiqirns. :D

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Originally Posted by Roll

Tanaka said a lot of things... and I can't forgive him for rushing the game and releasing it the way he did as an unfinished mess. His "vision" ended up being a big embarrassment. I'm not trying to flame, I'm just glad he got replaced and the game is slowly improving. And we're already friends with the Slyphs and some of the Goblins and Qiqirns. :D

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It's seem you and everyone else who dislike tanaka are blind to see that he was a "Scapegoat" it was up to "Yoichi Wada" or "sage sundi" online producers. Tanaka did not release the game he said many time the game is not ready for a 2010 release. So please stop blaming him and bashing other for even saying his name.

Yoshi-p been working on this game for over 5months and still the same only a few fix here and there. I know it take time but i think they should worry about the core fix/servers fix seeing how we can't even get mail box due to this issue,.

Anyways is version of the game and idea are better at least the part with the be friend the beastman and learn from them. I hope yoshi-p goes and get this idea and make it happen. Some of us still want the game we was waiting for 1year of seeing interviews and following everything about ffxiv.

No way i hate this idea. I want to call shiva and ifrit and bauhamunt. Stop making your stupid lore effect my fun.

i would love to se ffxiv's version of a necromancer which is a summoner of sorts. would make a really col thm job given their lore.

God I would love to see Team Ivalice zodiacs/espers in this game. I love them way more than the originals.

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Originally Posted by Kam

Mog is in IX, Tonberry is in VIII. Flaws appear.

(two of the best of the serise)

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Yes they had their 15mins of fame. But i wouldn't label them the traditional FF summons. Think that label belongs to summons that have been in various titles as a useable summon....IFRIT SHIVA LEVIATHAN et etc..

Also for my OP...they could use all the "lesser" summons such as mog and tonberry... how about jumbo cactar? Yojimbo? Cyclopes?.....

the ivalice zodiac summons would be interesting too.

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Originally Posted by Roll

Tanaka said a lot of things... and I can't forgive him for rushing the game and releasing it the way he did as an unfinished mess. His "vision" ended up being a big embarrassment. I'm not trying to flame, I'm just glad he got replaced and the game is slowly improving. And we're already friends with the Slyphs and some of the Goblins and Qiqirns. :D

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Seems Zenaku beat me to it, but Tanaka had no choice in when the game was to be released.
One thing I liked about Tanaka is we at least knew his vision and what he wanted to do (And he had a lot of good ideas which he wasn't allowed to do)
I currently know nothing about Yoshi-P's vision in how he wants this game =/

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

i would love to se ffxiv's version of a necromancer which is a summoner of sorts. would make a really col thm job given their lore.

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Necromancer is virtually non-existant in the FF mythos except in villainous role (FF:T for instance).

It doesn't fit with the FF lore at all to have necromancer heroes.

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I currently know nothing about Yoshi-P's vision in how he wants this game =/

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Well, given his constant back-and-forth communication with the FFXIV player community, I'd say his vision is to give the players whatever they happen to be clamoring for at the moment... (server issues withstanding).

I'd take that as a warning to be very careful what you ask for.

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God I would love to see Team Ivalice zodiacs/espers in this game. I love them way more than the originals.

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Its good to see that there are others that like this idea as well. I've always been a big fan of the traditional FF summons, but the zodiac espers/totema have fantastic concepts that haven't been explored nearly enough.

As I stated in another post. The use of FF final bosses for espers in FFXII was a fantastic idea. I think you could even pull from more recent games and bring in summoned versions of Jenova, Greiver, Necron, Sin, and even Promathia, Shadowlord, or Lilith Ascendent.

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Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

Easy alternative to the Primals: Make it so Summoners can call upon FFXIV versions of the Zodiac Beasts in the Ivalice games.

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And the Zodiac Deities are the guardians in this game so it would work.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Necromancer is virtually non-existant in the FF mythos except in villainous role (FF:T for instance).

It doesn't fit with the FF lore at all to have necromancer heroes.



Well, given his constant back-and-forth communication with the FFXIV player community, I'd say his vision is to give the players whatever they happen to be clamoring for at the moment... (server issues withstanding).

I'd take that as a warning to be very careful what you ask for.




Its good to see that there are others that like this idea as well. I've always been a big fan of the traditional FF summons, but the zodiac espers/totema have fantastic concepts that haven't been explored nearly enough.

As I stated in another post. The use of FF final bosses for espers in FFXII was a fantastic idea. I think you could even pull from more recent games and bring in summoned versions of Jenova, Greiver, Necron, Sin, and even Promathia, Shadowlord, or Lilith Ascendent.

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ff5 had a necromancer class, fyi.
also thm lore is all about raising the dead so it fits with thm lore. soooooo......, yea

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

ff5 had a necromancer class, fyi.
also thm lore is all about raising the dead so it fits with thm lore. soooooo......, yea

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Ah, I never played FFV:A so I stand corrected :p

Interesting that they called the job 'Necromancer' though. Instead of animating the dead (which is the typical approach to necromancy in gaming), it was more of a black magic/occult type of job with demon summoning and forbidden spells.

Warlock seems like a more appropriate name to me for that job, but w/e...

I like the idea, I personally would love to see the SMN class be versatile and able to switch roles. Want to play a tank, well summon a tank pet which will provoke and hold hate, want to be a DD, summon a DD mob, like above.

I think with several summons the summoner could fill several roles within a party. There will need to be balance, but SE can work out those details.

All in all, good thoughts, I'll be excited to get my hands on some new classes soon. :)

The Zodiac Dieties from Ivalice (FFTactics, 12, TA, TA2) are called Scions. http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Scion
They were given that name in FF Tactics Advance 2.

although i would miss the classic summons, i would not at all be opposed to new ones. in fact FFXII summons were probably my favorite. even the lore behind them was amazing!!

to keep close to "traditional" smn elements...

Id like to only see summoner as a support/damage role... not healer or tank.

In past titles... you summoned you avatar it came out...it either blasted the target...or gave everyone a nice buff.

so lets aim for that...but no ifrit's or shivas this time.

Do either the IVALICE summons....old hardly used summons (Cacatar, cait sith, etc) or make up completely new ones!

This fits the lore...and would royally piss off the primals!

Ya know, I was just thinking a xi style summoner would be hell to pull off with the way actions are set currently on the action bar.

>"Oh crap ifrit isn't doing any thing i need to pull out garuda"
/eaction /eaction /eaction /eaction /eaction /eaction /eaction
>Alright guys i'm ready to rock
.. We killed that boss a half hour ago.
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I'm all for the Ivalice summons! Waaaay more terrifying!
I'd especially love summoning Cúchulainn! Ghastly!

Musketeer Class becomes Summoner Job...

Final Fantasy Unlimited... anyone? w

choose 3 type of soil (bullet with colored soil) to summon different spirits, primals :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLVu2hpWBUM