HQ Gear as reward from Heavensward quests

Does anyone else think this was completely unnecessary to do and just plainly nerfs people who invest time crafting?

One of the reasons people take up to crafting is to have better gear than what they're given while levelling, so that their time actually means something. Not every one of us crafters does it for the endgame profit, we do it to help ourselves and others. With this new system, it makes gearing way too easy and I think there's no point in holding the hand of players who don't actually try to get better gear and end up getting BIS gear through main story.

Then level 60 comes and crafters still don't get the upper-hand when it comes to gear, because it's not even slightly competitive with Token/Primal gear (Not saying it should).

There are a lot of other things crafters can do, yes, but they're all for endgame content. I just wish being a crafter from 51 to 60 gave some sort of an advantage besides grinding for endgame.


TL;DR: We're basically pigeon-holed to being the makers of alt classes' gear with no chance of having any real impact on our main classes until we reach level cap.

I was gonna write a thread about this. I don't think it's a total disaster yet, cause all the gear isn't in, but it really hurts to just be given stuff that would normally be the result of a lot of work and careful thought.

Also it's not exactly good for the economy.

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Originally Posted by Verdan

I was gonna write a thread about this. I don't think it's a total disaster yet, cause all the gear isn't in, but it really hurts to just be given stuff that would normally be the result of a lot of work and careful thought.

Also it's not exactly good for the economy.

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What do you mean all the gear isn't in?

All the gear isn't in! We still don't have any of the AF2 stuff anywhere, as well as have no idea what the relic quests are gonna be like.

I hope the new gear comes with 3.05 in a month rather than 3.1 in 3 months, otherwise what was the point in allowing crafters to level to 60?

I doubt there will be new recipes in a month. The next update will probably be just the Alexander raid and the continuation of the zodiac weapon. There's no incentive for crafters to grind to level 60 at all! The specialist system, scrips etc. are all pointless right now. It's like they rushed the crafting side of the game or ran out of ideas what to do with it.

How was the launch of 2.0 with regards to crafting? Did we have 1 star items immediately at launch? I want to know if this is a repeat or a lack of content that didn't occur before.

Yeah, 1 star items were available at launch. I remember levelling my crafting then as I couldn't be bothered farming myths every week lol. This is a lack of content but hopefully they have something planned in the next update otherwise this is very disappointing.

I was actually just about to come in here and mention what the OP has. Crafting seems to be total bullshit atm. I just got my miner to 55 and black smith to 53 and a half, and I've learned that all the HQ items apparently sell for 7kish per! Ilvl115-133 shit, for 7k. If I roll a new job all together and try to get some lvl 15 gear I'll be paying 30k for one piece of crap leg gear or something, but then I arrive at lvl 50 in ishgard! and I find that items over lvl 100 are.. worthless? Raw materials are being sold for 30+k a pop, while items go for pennies when their material cost is closer to 100k+ per.

I havn't lvld a combat class yet, or done any quests really. I've just been lvling, so I didn't know the game was just handing out HQ gear like candy. How dissapointing. and here I thought I'd get to feel special leveling a craft this time around first over a combat class. :/

Hopefully this changes once people want to lvl alts? but even then the damage done to the economy could take months to be repaired by this initial jolt since theres so much gear flooded in there.


Also, total side note but.. I noticed that weavers make tanking gear now that has dps stats? but the armor value is the same as tanking statted armor? Is there... a particular reason for this? Seems like a kick to the nuts for armorers.

First of all. I have yet to see someone with a master book (3.0 one) and the market is out of wack atm which it always is with new stuff. Then, people bitch to themselves and say I wish I would of hung on to those. I crafted a lot 4**** everything going into 3.0. I looked into the recipes and such on things u can make. I don't get why ppl are selling things for cheap, but maybe they are just dumb on economics. Its like when 2.0 started. All the material IV's were like 30k a pop. Later on they rose to 100k to 800k. Thing is, crafted penta melded gear is usually whats needed to go into progression so I am pretty sure youll see some huge price fluctuations. Also, and I will state it again... I have yet to see someone who has the master book to see what the top tier stuff to be made is. I do however, agree with the HQ gear coming from quests. That was really odd. Why not make NQ or greens from quests? I lol'd at all the HQ stuff I got from quests.

Idk, I think it's really cool.

I'm a huge crafter, but do you really feel you need to suck every single dime out of people?

There are like a MILLION new recipes, and you are bothered by the very few HQ items that are given by the story?

Wow.

You are here to make fancy glamours.

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Suck every single dime out of people? Do you even know how much it costs to level a crafter? Do you even have the slightest notion before you blab about us being greedy? I craft, not for money, but for myself and my FC, but crafting is expensive and if I don't sell, I don't make money to buy mats, which means I'll have to be self-sufficient if I wanna level crafters and that's not how economy works (everyone being self-sufficient). NQ gear should be more than enough for people to level, HQ gear should be for those who feel like doing their best at all times and have an easier time. Now everyone gets to be "top tier" while levelling, which makes no sense at all. Next time, please review what the message was and don't make yourself look foolish.

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the very few HQ items that are given by the story?

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Two sets of gear every 2 levels, one melee and one caster/ranged. Full left side plus neck and ear.

My biggest issue with it is I converted my last set of gear when I got upgrades, and it gave tier 2-3 materia. Yes, ilvl133 gear gave me a Battledance II materia.

Master book 3 doesn't have any recipes for items that are not listed in the market board and lodestone. The highest tier crafters can make are the adamantite stuff and chivalric body piece. That's it! The rest are just a bunch of minions, chocobo bardings, glamour and furnitures.

Carpenter - http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...0&category3=11
Blacksmith - http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...2&category3=11 (doesn't have any star recipes)
Armorer - http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...2&category3=11
Goldsmith - http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...2&category3=11
Leatherworker - http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...2&category3=11
Weaver - http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...2&category3=11

All the new items craftable i150 can be buying in the lvl 60 area to the npc for 25K gils max and in HQ ! ...
So Thx yoshida for destroying the economy and craft ...

You can buy HQ items from vendors? Oh that's really bad. It's not easy to make those.

I also thought it was a little strange to have so many HQ gear pieces coming from story quests.
But I think this is the new direction the game is going, as they mentioned that previous 2.xx MSQ are giving up to soldiery gear for quest completion instead of those food rewards we got back then.
So that's what new players are getting used to, i guess?



That said, not every HQ gear piece of every new level is available through quests.

Crafter/gatherer quests rewards us with NQ gear from what I've seen, and there's a very significant difference between HQ and NQ... So maybe we should just focus on crafting DoH/DoL gear?
If they could at least be converted into grade V materia... but square enix already said the current gear will NOT reward crafter/gatherer grade V materia when converted..

The issue with crafted gear being bought is a more fundamental one, I think. Materials and high quality crafted gear prices are pretty much going on faith that eventually crafters will be very important again, which we don't know will be rewarded.

I dont see how the HQ stuff is that big a deal. People tend to start buying the HQ stuff when they do other classes through it, and they wont have those quests their second time.

I think it is fine the way they did it. Yes, the i115 and 125 items are worth dirt because people who already had equal/better gear are selling. Crafting at those levels will be for alt classes and items not given in quests (belt and some accessories). In the short run, there is no killing to be made here. In the long run, there will be profitability. The old i90 market I made my fortune in was basically just selling to alt classes 'cause fresh 50s couldn't afford the stuff.

As for materia prices, it is supply and demand. Supply is high because quests are handing out lvl 4 materia like candy. Demand is low because people don't bother melding gear they are replacing soon and few people are making endgame sets. Eventually, the excess supply from quests will diminish and demand will pick up. Give it 2-5 weeks.

Well, to be fair: I crafted a HQ lvl 52 BLM staff and sold it for 150k, that with mats from the lvl 50 nodes in western highlands.
There are weapons that can be crafted, crafter gear, gatherer gear (the crafter gear from quests are NQ btw).
And as someone else pointed iout: the market will be flooded with the HQ ilvl115 gear as ppl are still in their ilvl 130 for Main job, but as soon as they start leveling additional jobs, the market will turn, of that I am quite sure.

To add to this, future players won't be coming up with relic weapons or I130 poetics/coil gear. They'll have a few I120 pieces and the rest will be I110 at best. The whole thing just seems like they're rolling it out in phases. More like 2.1 and later. People will take all this hq gear they are getting now and either spirit bond it or sell it to someone who will spirit bond it. So eventually most of it will be gone.

They Stated IN The Letter from producers during e3 that red scripts, the good ones, and the high level recipes will come out when alexander savage does because they don't want everyone to go into alexander day 1 with fully melded gear. You Can't Even Get crafter/Gather T5 Materia Until 1 Month from now. Mats are expensive because people are using them to lvl up, not to make money. None of this would come as suprise if you cared enough about crafting to pay attention. As soon as 1 month from now when the rest of the recipes come out the lvl 60 will be rolling in dough. The real question is will all the crafts be relevant. Or will it be like 2.0 where weaver and leather work make the money at launch and go makes it at the .1 patch like 2.xx was done.

We are in a special moment that won't repeat. Most players that have played ARR for some time before the expansion will have good gear, better than the one you get from the quests at the first levels.

Everybody is leveling the first class to 60 and getting the gear from the quests. Quests can be done only once, so you won't get that gear for another job.

People also have probably the inventory full, so they probably sell al lot of gear they won't use now, you can't keep all of it. (You can keep gear from dungeons that is unsellable except for GC seals.) The consequence is prices are very low at the Market Board. This will not be like that in the future.

Look at Thavnairian Onions. There is one quest that gives one Thavnairian Onion. Lots of people are selling it instead of keeping it for use, and prices (in Odin) fell from 300.000 gil to 40.000. That quest can be done only once so in the future the prices will go back up for sure, I think (unless some other source appears.)

Rewarding gear from quests is fine. Up until now, though, obtaining HQ gear was something that was purely a crafter thing. Players could do fine with quested gear or gear purchased from NPC - but if they really wanted to go that extra mile, they turned to crafters. That was as it should be; crafting provides a nice bonus, without being a necessity.

I see no reason why the quested gear needed to be HQ gear; players could have gotten plenty of good milage out of NQ gear without the clear slap to the face to crafters.