New unspoiled nodes disappear too quickly

The new unspoiled nodes we get every 12 in-game hours only last 3 minutes (1 in-game hour), and this is making it difficult to gather.

I can't plan out much, and I end up with only 1-2 items out of an entire node in some cases.

I've seen others have the same problem, and i think 9 minutes was enough time to not have to drop what we're doing just to run to it before it spawns.

Can we at least get it stretched out to 6-9 minutes, otherwise we might as well only have 1 node every 72 minutes lasting 9 minutes (like before).

1 node every 36 minutes is better, i will admit, but we need some more time to get the items from each node efficiently. Can we at least get an increase in the time before a node despawns? Or at least set it so that it won't disappear on us while we're still gathering from it (at least for a few minutes)?

i think they made it so that you cant gather all of the items that spawn at the same time at different places. 1 hour is really short though. It also happened to me that i tried to figure out which skills to use for collectables and suddenly the node already disappeared...

1 hour ET time only just over a minute of real time dont see how they think you can even make it there in timer before it despawns. Seems very unfair and should be fixed where its same as other unspoiled nodes.

Have to agree with this one, especially when you consider not just the travel time but people getting used to the new gathering system. I get that they were most likely trying to make it simply feel different, and that eventually, the 3hrs ET will become longer than desired, but why 55min ET? Why not maybe... 1hr 32min ET?

Agreed, 3 minutes is not enough time to decide what you want to do for a rotation before it disapears. We need more time on target. I understand if you want to make the initial release difficult so we dont flood the market or whatever, but this is borderline unplayable. Please fix it soon.

There's nothing wrong with it honestly. It's purposely designed to force you to focus more on what you need and not just want it all.

They are simple 12hr windows between one another and granted they only last til :56 but at least every RL hr you have the option to go with double dipping on one item or splitting between the two. On top of that it offers more opportunity to obtain collectibles of certain items so you aren't stuck waiting an hour between attempts, now it's about half an hour meaning more opportunity to obtain scrips.

It's give and take but I see it as a welcome changed plus it does encourage you to use cordials more often.

Agreed 100% I just tried doing the collectable thing for the first time and barely had time to figure out how best to use my skills before the damn thing vanished! This window is WAY to short to attempt the collectable gathering. I thought the patch notes said that unspoiled nodes would NOT vanish if you were actively gathering from them... LIES!

Airget, that's understandable, but that isn't the issue. I will admit it was most likely designed that way on purpose and isn't broke, and i do enjoy that it shows up twice an hour instead of just once (my biggest complaint in 2.0 with nodes). However, it's difficult to learn or get familiar with your new skills or capabilities when you are limited to such a short amount of time. As you can see, multiple people are replying that they encounter the same problem with it disappearing before they are done. We do not farm items constantly and know what to do each time, so those of us that are not, have to think about how we want to tackle that node each time we get to it. Personally, if i know what i want from the node, it doesn't mean i won't change my mind by the time i get there. Maybe i messed up and need to change my method, who knows.

And isn't the new leather gated behind this system? That seems crazy.

I think the Heavensward unspoiled nodes are designed for people to gather while doing other gathering in the same zone, not a time-table travel around the different zones. I've had absolutely no trouble fishing in Coerthas Western Highlands, popping into BTN/MIN when I see the unspoiled node notification, fly to the nodes and gather. The interval between the BTN and MIN nodes also means that my 600 GP is fully recovered even if I just sit there doing nothing.

And it doesn't disappear in 1 hour ET, it disappears in 55 minutes ET.

Don't forget that the crafters use a lot of these products from the unspoiled nodes as if they're from the normal nodes. It makes a lot of sense to be gathering only the nodes from one zone instead of teleporting around on the clock.

Once you realize this, and know that the nodes spawn once every 35 minutes, it's actually quite a nice system.

I think that they can still stop people from going to multiple nodes within the same time frame by maintaining the 55min ET window, but stretching it once you actually open the node to give another minute or two. That will allow people to take a little more time figuring out the whole collectibles thing (especially if they're expecting the time/area and go there beforehand), but they won't have time to travel between nodes in that 55min slot and activate the 2nd one in time. Really hoping they tweak this, I'm not a fast thinker even if I'm at the node before it spawns ~_~

I have had some nodes fizzle out in as short as 45 minutes eorzea time. I've yet managed to collect collectible even once due the window popping out when I'm still figuring out how the system works. While I admit the shorter time frame is good for the purpose of limiting when you have to be on the node, please make it to not fizzle if it's already opened. That quick fizzle is making it unplayable and feels just a slap on the face.

i always try to be to the zone early and be prepared. it does feel fast and probably shouldn't disappear if your window is open. i think the fact that some of these nodes are never close to a zone in place and that the maps are so large now makes it a bit of a race sometimes.

if your endgame (or what was endgame) gathering then surely you know exactly what rotations you need to do to maximise yield as that has not changed.

the only new mechanic to learn is collectables and that has been figured out now so if you don't know what to do search the forum get the answer.

and really since nodes are 2 times an hour now you aren't really missing an opportunity to gather anything since you can grab one of each per hour just like before. or now choose to get more of a much needed mat.

the only real difference is you have les time on node to gather but since it only ever took 30secs anyway I don't see a problem.

My only complaint is I have a couple of instances where I got there right when it popped, and knew what I was doing. And I had three hits, I hit it twice, and it vanished. It was 20 game minutes in, so I should of had at least 30 game mins to spare. I'm sitting there trying to imagine what happened, because there is still people showing up and mining, but I somehow got cheated out of a hit. So I'm wondering if it sometimes has a glitch where you have a lot less time then your suppose to have. I do wish that they would extend how long they stay up. So that you can go do multiple ones and get a lot more work done.

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Originally Posted by chidarake

if your endgame (or what was endgame) gathering then surely you know exactly what rotations you need to do to maximise yield as that has not changed.

the only new mechanic to learn is collectables and that has been figured out now so if you don't know what to do search the forum get the answer.

and really since nodes are 2 times an hour now you aren't really missing an opportunity to gather anything since you can grab one of each per hour just like before. or now choose to get more of a much needed mat.

the only real difference is you have les time on node to gather but since it only ever took 30secs anyway I don't see a problem.

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The old gathering was just some quick buffs and then gather. The current collectible rotations take a bit more time due to the animation times of each action. On top of that it asks for your confirmation each time you collect.


Nodes being twice per hour now is a fallacy I have seen used a few times now. Altho nodes do appear twice per hour, they also give less then ARR 1* nodes. 15 Max vs 25 max. So if you collect only 1 node per hour you will harvest about 40% less then you would from an ARR 1* node.

Another thing is that spawning twice per hour while still giving roughly the same amount of items mean you will spend a lot more time to actually gather the same amount of items.
In addition to also decreasing the amount of other items you can harvest due to:
a) overlapping node spawntimes.
b) losing a lot of time each harvest due to huge travelling time. (many of the best nodes are on the other side of the zone)



Gathering took some pretty harsh nerfs in HW:
-Same amount of items harvested, but requiring you to harvest twice instead of just once.
-Nodes only up for 50~ EZ minutes.
-Nearly all nodes/items spawn at the same times, meaning you can only harvest about 2~ per EZ hour. (4 if you choose to harvest only half the normal amount)
-Long travel time, which combined with twice the spawn times also means more time spend per full harvest (2x per EZ).
-Collectible items after the first requiring harsh perception amounts, making them pointless (as you cant obtain them without heavy melding)
-Many base raw materials behind gated behind ''hidden'', effectively reducing the gathering rate of those items to about 35-40% of other items.


I'm not sure what the point behind all the limitations are.


Fun note:
-Flying to either of the Hinterlands nodes, or the Sea of Clouds takes more time then the node will be up for.

I don't have issues with the spawn times, I like that challenge to the end game and how you do have to plan. What has been most frustrating for me is how the node will vanish when you still have moves and were just about to try and collect.

It would be nice that if you get to the node in time you won't see it vanish once you have accessed it to collect. I've been seeing lag when trying to gather at nodes when everyone rushes in and it makes the entire process 100x more frustrating and less fun. I still have moves but the node vanishes. It takes time to get to the 450 assessment and you have to wait on the assessment to go through before you can do your next skill. Sometimes when there is lag I'm seeing delays and then the node is gone.

I too find the nodes despawn far too quickly when I am trying to figure out the best way to gather them. I feel like I basically have to camp each one and that doesn't make it very fun.

At the very least some longer window ones earlier on so that I had time to experiment with the collection system would help. As it was I felt like if I misclicked I just wasted an entire window while I was still learning.

count me as another frustrated gatherer

I want to chime in also to the Dev Team:

* Yoshi P, please reconsider expanding the Window of Time for Gathering from the Unspoiled Nodes. Especially in light of players learning about Collectibles and what actions to use.

As someone (and ALL players will be this way at first) who has to learn about Collectibles and how to use the actions correctly, etc., I've "lost" multiple Unspoiled Nodes (they fade out and disappear) just looking over the Tooltip options and trying to figure out which actions to use and getting used to the UI and figure out the actions.

It's very confusing and frustrating from a new user perspective and the Unspoiled Node (considering long Travel Time from teleport onto the map and traveling over to it), makes trying to gather from Unspoiled Nodes a disappointing, rushed experience.

Please change this.

I really like the short windows, it makes the gathering stuff way more valuable

since noone is able to gather 10 different items per hour the prices for single things go up to 5-10k ea in NQ

I prefer getting ~150k gil by gathering at a single node than running circles for an hour and wasting 10 cordials

I think its idiotic. I'm a new gather and I had to FIND this thread to know I wasn't doing something wrong. That's just terribly stupid game design. Likewise once you're on the node and interacting it SHOULD NEVER DISAPEAR ON you. Again very bad game design.

I concur having nodes be more rare is nice. But there is a fine line between rare and just stupid. And the new timing it the later.

I find the Ephermal nodes to be worse. Unless I read something wrong, before 3.0 hit, I was lead to believe that those nodes do not disappear until depleted. But five times now I have come to the end of their cycle and lost the attempts on them.

Yes the Unspoiled nodes duration are too short. Give 5-6 and I'd be a tad bit more content.

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Originally Posted by TitaniaZero

I find the Ephermal nodes to be worse. Unless I read something wrong, before 3.0 hit, I was lead to believe that those nodes do not disappear until depleted. But five times now I have come to the end of their cycle and lost the attempts on them.

Yes the Unspoiled nodes duration are too short. Give 5-6 and I'd be a tad bit more content.

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The eph nodes last for up to 4 in game hours and will respawn continuously every time you interact with enough other nodes in the area within that time frame but once their time slot is over (say, 12-4, once it reaches 4 o'clock) they disappear for the day. To take full advantage, you have to be there when it starts and be aware of the time when it's about to end.