Belah'dian

Is there any place to get good lore about Belah'dian? Outside of reading every quest (and watching any videos) involving them, since I'm trying to rp my char with knowledge about them and google isn't providing much about it at all. The more important part though, is the time of its founding and the time of its fall.

It's Belah'dia, actually. Belah'dian would describe someone from the city.

And no, our information on Belah'dia is sadly limited. We know it was founded by mages who survived the Sixth Umbral and the close of the War of the Magi, and we know that both Ul'dah and Sil'dih were founded by twin sons of one of Belah'dia's sultans, when they both wanted to rule. Beyond that, we know little, beyond the fact that it was founded and ruled by Dunesfolk Lalafell (the names in Qarn tell us this much).

In relation to Quarn we know that the temple it's self predates Belah'dia and that the Belah'dians repurposed it. But who it was that actually built it no one had any idea, even the npcs are clueless.

Information on Belah'dia and Proto-Belah'dia from the war though os scarce to non-existant as of yet though.

If the Waring triads become a thing I hope we geg more insight to The War of the Magi beyond the "Allagains" and "Ascians" meme that float around

so basicly, until further information comes around, rp about Bela'hia is up to our discression as long as it sounds plausable.

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Originally Posted by NeoZanther

so basicly, until further information comes around, rp about Bela'hia is up to our discression as long as it sounds plausable.

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Basicly yes. lol

If you want to form Belah'dian headcanon, I'd warn against getting specific unless you're perfectly fine uprooting it when more information comes out.
If not, be vague.

Every time a discussion comes even remotely into Belah'dian territory, be it in game, in these forums, or in an interview, the subject is gently nudged away from it. What you can summarize is that it's a Sixth Astral Era predecessor of Ul'dah and Sil'dih, it was likely formed by the surviving black mages of the Fifth Astral Era that we don't know much about, they built on top of existing ruins at Qarn, and Square Enix intends to fill in some of these blanks, someday. More likely than not, the new information will focus on the black mage city of the War of the Magi, but it may end up contradicting something you've invented in your fanon.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

but it may end up contradicting something you've invented in your fanon.

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I know that's why I finally had to give up mu Sil'dih/Amdapoor RP. The more that eas revealed about the two the more it controdicted my RP until I finally just re-wrote it and ultimatly kinda gave up at RP when my 1st FC broke up.

Didn't see it mentioned but the Belah'dians seemed to (or at least 1 did) be named like Egyptian Pharaohs. Lalafuto IIII being the last known Sultan of Belah'dia I believe, don't quote me on that. Either way he reigned around the time that Limsa Lominsa was founded.

I have a feeling that the proto Belaj'dia group was named in the BLM quest just recently. Mihashi or something similar. I may need to go back. the WHM for 50+ seemed keenly earnest on mentioning Nym, Amdapori and the third one.

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Originally Posted by DoctaruRavenbe

I have a feeling that the proto Belaj'dia group was named in the BLM quest just recently. Mihashi or something similar. I may need to go back. the WHM for 50+ seemed keenly earnest on mentioning Nym, Amdapori and the third one.

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I suspect you're right. The initial Astrologian quest also made mention of all three; Nym, Amdapor, and Mihashi. Specifically with regards with messing with aether (magic) causing calamity "Lest you forget what happened to the Nymians, Amdapori, and Mihashi", or something like that. Suggests to me that these were the three combatants in the War of the Magi.

Wonder if we'll see any Mihashi ruins/dungeons in the future...

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Originally Posted by DoctaruRavenbe

Mihashi or something similar.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

"Lest you forget what happened to the Nymians, Amdapori, and Mihashi"

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Just got to SCH54 and I think you're on the right track.
Surito Carito names Mhach (the Mhachi) the enemy of Nym; their magi trafficked with the void and used the knowledge against their enemies.
If we're going in the right direction, the Mhachi are likely responsible for both the Sickness from the Sea as well as Diabolos...

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Just got to SCH54 and I think you're on the right track.
Surito Carito names Mhach (the Mhachi) the enemy of Nym; their magi trafficked with the void and used the knowledge against their enemies.
If we're going in the right direction, the Mhachi are likely responsible for both the Sickness from the Sea as well as Diabolos...

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So by that logic, since Amdapor and Nym were wiped out by Diablos and The Toneberry Plague respectively, wouldn't that make the Mhachi the winners of The War of the Magi since their decendents presumably became the Belh'dians and later the Sil'dihns and Ul'dahins?

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

So by that logic, since Amdapor and Nym were wiped out by Diablos and The Toneberry Plague respectively, wouldn't that make the Mhachi the winners of The War of the Magi since their decendents presumably became the Belh'dians and later the Sil'dihns and Ul'dahins?

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I think it was more of a Pyrrhic victory at most

Nym fell to the Sickness

Amdapor had to deal with Diabolos and his voidsent minions. They were successful but were probably greatly weakened;they survived the flood and were probably the predecessors of the Gelmorrans.

I think it eneded up being a war with BLM/WHM now that Nym succumb to the sickness. Perhaps the BLM ended destroying themselves? Other than Qarn, there's nothing about the BLM city. Despite both Nym and Amdapor being flooded (until the 7th Umbral Era) Thanalan does not have a large body of water to conceal a lost civilization that the Elementals want to hide.

I always had a belief that Amdapori WHM had Time/fate magic similar to what Louisoix used in Carteneu. They were descibed as
1.having "powers to alter the very fabric of existence"
2.Due to the prayer to of Althyk (god of space/time) located near Amdapor
3.In 1.0 you see Elemental (teacher of WHM) make people literally disappear from existence

Perhaps in a last ditched effort the remaining WHM casted a powerful WHM to make the BLM capital "disappear" from existence?

/fantheory

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Originally Posted by myahele

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Thanalan has something that's far more thourough at hiding things. Sand. The temple of Quarn it's self has been partially consumed by the deserts and there are tones more ruins in South Thanalan that could be anything from parts of Sil'dih, ruins of Bela'diah, The Lost Mhachi civilization or even belong to the people who built Quarn that predated the War. Quarn was mostly used as a Temple and Burial Ground by the Bela'diahns not a city after all. We still haven't found the capital city that seems to have been consumed by the sands of time and the dunes of The Sangoli.

But I do agree the victory was a hollow one. The Gelmorans I don't think were survivors of Amdapor, IIRC they were people that came to the shroud post flood and hid underground out of fear. Bela'dian was actually founded by survivors of the War who fled due to Black Magic being shunned and it's mages persecuted.


As for The Tonberry Plague or "Sickness from the Sea" it could have just as easily been Amdapor that set it on them but Nym was obviously the 1st to be forced out. Not to mention Nym was an unwilling participant any way.

We know that Temple of Qarn wasn't originally Belah-dian. Could it possibly originated with the Mhachi civilization?

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Originally Posted by KylePearlsand

We know that Temple of Qarn wasn't originally Belah-dian. Could it possibly originated with the Mhachi civilization?

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I think so. The Mhachi likely controlled territory that far south.

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Originally Posted by KylePearlsand

We know that Temple of Qarn wasn't originally Belah-dian. Could it possibly originated with the Mhachi civilization?

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I think its hard to tell at this point. Frankly there is so much of Eorzea's history we don't know there are potentially several other contenders. Half the Astral Eras we know nothing about, including the one between the fall of the Allag and the rise of Mhach, Amdipor and Nym.

I think its stated somewhere that Mhach was located somewhere to the north of Mor Dhona, so unless the Mhachi domain was half of Eorzea it wouldn't make much sense for Qarn to be theirs.

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Originally Posted by CyberGoblin

I think its stated somewhere that Mhach was located somewhere to the north of Mor Dhona, so unless the Mhachi domain was half of Eorzea it wouldn't make much sense for Qarn to be theirs.

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Northwest. In the Yafaem Saltmoors. Koji said it in an interview, I believe.

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

Northwest. In the Yafaem Saltmoors. Koji said it in an interview, I believe.

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So The Yafaem Saltmoors are NW of Mor Dohna, Hmmm, I wonder where that relates to Coerthas and Dravania.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

So The Yafaem Saltmoors are NW of Mor Dohna, Hmmm, I wonder where that relates to Coerthas and Dravania.

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It's marked on the Eorzean map, just look at the coastal area west of Lake Silvertear and due south of Coerthas. You'll have to zoom-in since it written in smaller letters.

Aside from the spelling, you can see the location here:
http://i.imgur.com/6Q7Lv.jpg

Just replace Hafaem halfmoon to Yafaem Saltmoors.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Aside from the spelling, you can see the location here:
http://i.imgur.com/6Q7Lv.jpg

Just replace Hafaem halfmoon to Yafaem Saltmoors.

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

It's marked on the Eorzean map, just look at the coastal area west of Lake Silvertear and due south of Coerthas. You'll have to zoom-in since it written in smaller letters.

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Cool, thanks guys. Also Myahele, Mind if I copy that map picture? I've been needing one with the translations on it.

@Kaiser-ace

Go ahead, it's just something I saw while browsing google.

Also, here's another type of map that I found for any one else interested
http://www.ffxivmaps.com/img/region-eorzea-large.png

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Originally Posted by myahele

@Kaiser-ace

Go ahead, it's just something I saw while browsing google.

Also, here's another type of map that I found for any one else interested
http://www.ffxivmaps.com/img/region-eorzea-large.png

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Thanks
That other one is the one Moose Sensei uses frequently too. X)

From what I understand from the placing of Amdapor ruins. It's likes they controlled the northern parts of Eorzea (The shroud, Ala Mhigo.) While Mhach controlled the south parts. (Mhor Dhona, Thanalan.) Then you've got Dravania and Nym off by themselves.

That'd be my guess of Fifth Astra Era geography, anyway.

May I ask something? Does the six umbral calamity already happened when the dragonsong war started? Or it happened during the War of Magi? I'm a bit confuse in terms of time line there

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

May I ask something? Does the six umbral calamity already happened when the dragonsong war started? Or it happened during the War of Magi? I'm a bit confuse in terms of time line there

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The 6th Umbral Calamity - The Great Flood happened before the Dragonsong War and who know's how long it lasted then after the flood settled the 6th Astral Era began

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Sixth Astral Era[1]
Dates are current to Sixth Astral calendar years.

Year: 233~572 ---
Hyur begin to migrate to Eorzea in three great migratory waves.
Founding fathers of Ishgard encounter Nidhogg. Haldrath takes up his slain sire's lancer and thrusts it into Nidhogg's eye, the first Dragoon is born.

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