Slight nitpick of Lore from the AST questline

Not sure if really spoilery or not but hiding just in case

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How can Dalamud still be used for Astrology if it crashed into Hydalean and cause the Calamity?

By calculating where it would've been in its rotation had it not fallen. It's fairly common for star maps to let you see where constellations will be in relation to each other on future dates.

While it might be an oversight, without spoiling much the character in question is stated to be something of an undisciplined fool at the conclusion of the AST intro quests. While I seriously doubt he didn't know or forgot about Dalamud falling, as stated above it could have had it's course charted out based on it's movements.

Considering the flavor of AST, that's probably the case. The character himself probably didn't really know what he was talking about, but AST seems to place a pretty big emphasis on fate (much as DRK has placed a big emphasis on sacrifice as far as I've gotten), so you "chanced" upon the waylaid Sharlayans with his help.

Inteersting thought about him basically being an idiot but when I read that I thought he was referring to the constellation that is named after Dalamud - not that I know for sure but i just assumed

All of that will be explained eventually. Worry not.

Hey guys!

Pharm31 has the right of it.

While Sharlayan astrology has been around for a long time, the fall of Dalamud is a fairly recent event, and astrologians are still undecided as how to treat the phenomenon. Because of this, the location of the body (had it still been there) is still used in readings, with some Sharlayan school astrologians spinning it that the "absence" of the moon is now the driving force in predicting an individual's fate. The fact that Jannequinard has very few ties with the astrologians in Sharlayan leaves him somewhat in the dark as to how others in his field are conducting new types of post-Meteor readings.

Hope that helps!

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Originally Posted by Fernehalwes

Hey guys!

Pharm31 has the right of it.

While Sharlayan astrology has been around for a long time, the fall of Dalamud is a fairly recent event, and astrologians are still undecided as how to treat the phenomenon. Because of this, the location of the body (had it still been there) is still used in readings, with some Sharlayan school astrologians spinning it that the "absence" of the moon is now the driving force in predicting an individual's fate. The fact that Jannequinard has very few ties with the astrologians in Sharlayan leaves him somewhat in the dark as to how others in his field are conducting new types of post-Meteor readings.

Hope that helps!

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Wow a blessing from the big eye himself :D

And if you look closely at the astroglobes, Dalamud can still be seen spinning around it while casting.

Someone didn't read their very first cutscene. Leveva explicitly says that they use the absence of Dalamud in their readings.

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It certainly does. Thanks Ferne!

Though a further question:

How much, if any, is the true nature of Dalamud going in to this debate? While the specifics of Coil are unknown, it's obviously common knowledge, at least among the learned, that Dalamud was not a normal heavenly body at all but rather a man-made moon. Has this thrown things into chaos in general? I have to imagine astrologians to date hadn't even considered the possibility that an object in the heavens might be "artificial", and thus somehow possibly un-authentic.

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I haven't done the AST quests yet, but consider real world parallels. You still hear astrologists in real life talking about planets going "retrograde" despite modern astronomy proving that's a load of hogwash. The planets don't shift in their paths and go backwards from time to time, it just looks like that when using a geocentric model of the solar system, rather than heliocentric. I just did a search for "retrograde" and found all sorts of doomsday sites talking about how Mercury will be going retrograde in September, 2015 and all the problems that will cause. Does the fact that the model is proven wrong cause everyone to stop using the model? No.

I'd imagine the Astrologians of FFXIV are similarly sticking to the model that they've used for a long time. Yeah, sure, there's clear evidence that one piece of it was totally wrong, but, clearly, the model has been working for them all this time, why change it? Again, I haven't done the AST questline yet, so I dunno if their star-based divinations are supposed to be accurate or just as much superstition as in the real world. But, just because they can use the power of the stars and space to cast spells, that doesn't mean everything they can do relating to the stars is true/accurate. Their spellcasting and divinations seem totally separate aspects of their work that share a common source and/or inspiration.

Thus far (only got to AST40 today), it seems Astrologian's aether arts are mostly derived from constellations, rather than planetary objects.

In fairness, I retract my statement about Ishgard not employing magic-users in their ranks; several of the Heavens' Ward are mages, and when you get into instanced battles against them and in the Vault there are healers backing them up.

Still, they've not the time for astromancy, only the astrological predictions it affords.