I am pretty bummed that you have 0 access to the new jobs unless you have completely beaten the entire story line thus far. I knew this a while ago, but I really had no idea the extent of this. I just beat Ultima Weapon thinking I was good, or at least close.
Now I find out theres about another 125 or so quests to go before I have fully done the entire story. I really wanted to play this content on a new job :(
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06-19-2015, 10:50 AMOrbital-DragonNew Job Sadness
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06-19-2015, 10:52 AMKukajoo
just chill out and take it at your own pace, if you stress and try to rush it'll make it feel like its taking longer than it really is. the expansion isnt going anywhere nor are the new jobs remember to have fun and you'll be alright!
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06-19-2015, 10:54 AMSteadyI.. don't understand this complaint. Considering these jobs use crossclass skills from existing classes anyhow, your going to hafta level them anyhow. Historically in game, Ishgard has been closed off to outsiders. Which you'll learn as you do the main story. And the main story explains why it opens it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orbital-Dragon
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06-19-2015, 10:54 AMAethaeryn
Has been all over the forums for months. :( But at least now it'll be much easier to catch up with the changes they're making. Decent item level gear from the story quests and priority queue for players that haven't cleared the content yet, to name a couple. It does kinda suck, but you'll also realize it makes a lot of sense if you pay attention to the story on your way there.
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06-19-2015, 10:54 AMLulu89
You can't even play the new content on your old job.. Everything is locked behind that 2.55 quest. Zones, story, flying, Alex, new jobs.. Al of it.
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06-19-2015, 11:19 AMUrielparadox
At least you will get xp for finishing these quest and go into ishgard way ahead of those of those that are already there
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06-19-2015, 11:21 AMXenosanGood news is you will be leveling your lvl50 job doing all those quests. In fact you could be leveling at a rate faster than the rest of us !_!Quote:
Originally Posted by Orbital-Dragon
edit: Uriel beat me to it
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06-19-2015, 11:25 AMTempting
Expansion Packs are usually always mainly behind walls.
ALL of FFXI's are,
Jobs? Go try to unlock corsair when treasures released as a brand new level 1.
Area? Go try to goto any Treasures zone as a brand new level 1.
Many of WoWs are
Go try to unlock Death Knight as a level 1 when Lich King came out.
Go try to goto Northrend as a brand new level 1.
Just play the game.... -
06-19-2015, 11:51 AMWobbleWhat he said, have fun and enjoy the story it's not like you can beat the game so move at your pace. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kukajoo
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06-19-2015, 11:52 AMBlood-Aki
You know sometimes i think some people won't be happy unless every single peice of content is all up for grabs from the very start of the game. No working or actually playing the game, just give me all of it, asap.
No wait, people won't be happy because then we'll get complaints that it's to easy to access. I don't think this situation is winnable. -
06-19-2015, 12:01 PMDevilsDontFly
If you plan to level everything, eventually you'll do that. Including new jobs. Just because it's new, it doesn't mean you need to rush and get it right away.
Enjoy what ou have now otherwise you won't be able to enjoy what you'll have later.
And remember: You have to finish the 2.0 story. From 3.0 and on you'll have all the oportunities in the world to clear whatever you like with the new classes, since I highly doubt SE will stop uptading the game with new content anytime soon. -
06-19-2015, 12:08 PMGunspec
I'm so sad I can't fight Shiva without fighting Ramuh first. I really want to see the Shiva fight guys, why do I have to fight Ramuh, it isn't fair.
I also cry because my mommy makes me eat my veggies before my dessert. It's unfair, I tell you. -
06-19-2015, 12:15 PMOdstarva
Jesus christ guys, what's with the attitude! :eek:
We're all here because we love this game (or at least like it somewhat!), what's with all the snarky remarks!?
I do happen to be just okay with people having to proceed past a certain point to experience the expansion, but at the same time I can understand why he'd be bummed out! I mean he did pay for the expansion, like we all did, and he realized he can't experience all he payed for yet. What's with the lack of empathy going on here, jeez! -
06-19-2015, 12:23 PMMadsamurai
Too much to do. Complain. Too little to do. Complain. Can't please everyone really. Just be glad nothing is taken away and the developers is making sure everyone gets to experience the content they used so much blood and sweat to make instead of allowing people to skim pass a huge chunk of content making it obsolete. There's no rush so take it slow, take a breather and enjoy everything the game presents to you in a timely manner.
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06-19-2015, 12:28 PMFurieashould have finished them story quests (; _ ; )Quote:
Originally Posted by Orbital-Dragon
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06-19-2015, 12:29 PMBlueyesThis needs to be liked more. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to be upset by this. It won't even affect me and I'm still bothered by the way the new jobs were handled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Odstarva
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06-19-2015, 12:29 PMNinimo_BabamoIt's a lot, yes. But at level 50, you can literally do every single quest in a day. Most are just run from point A to point B and turn in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orbital-Dragon
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06-19-2015, 12:29 PMGramis
Don't sweat it. It only took me a few days at a few hours a day to catch up.
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06-19-2015, 12:48 PMZodiacBraveDuuuude (or Baaaabe if you want), it's not that we're asking for them to give everything to us immediately right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
But at least we should get something the moment we buy Heavensward, and don't let all that hype go away upon realization of this great wall of restrictions you have to go through to even get a glimpse of the expansion.
As I mentioned in another thread... at the moment, I have zero incentives in buying Heavensward if I haven't finished all the Main Story. That is quite very contrary to all the commercials and hype they put out with the release of Heavensward, which actually turns out to be aimed *only* for existing players who has already played considerable amount of time through the game.
Please don't get me wrong. I don't want to be spoonfed with all the good stuff immediately. I love myself a good challenge, but there's a line between challenge and tedious chore. I play the story quests *for* the story, I do PvPs for Wolf Marks (and some tomestones), I do FATEs to level up. But now, I need to do the story in order to continue doing better stuff that I want.
Why did they decide to lock everything behind that 2.55 quest? Those who somehow neglected to keep up with the story (perhaps because they're busy IRL or doing other content the game has to offer... which is my reason apparently) get severely disadvantaged and somehow get left out with the release of the expansion. -
06-19-2015, 12:55 PMAverax
Don't worry about it.
Just enjoy the story, as you would in any other FF game.
Also, one more thing.
DON'T
SKIP
ANY
SCENES
They're all important!
Edit: Seriously though, people are looking at the restriction like its some huge insurmountable task, but it's really just time consuming if you don't know what you're doing. I mean, it only took me a short while after i hit 50 to catch up, and that was months ago. -
06-19-2015, 12:58 PMExosapien
Yeah, I dunno. I think having a level requirement would have been enough, but I also think they really want people to understand the story (it's FF after all). It wouldn't be so bad if half the quests weren't just running around to collect sentences and short paragraphs from NPC's.
Maybe it's the use of our Lord and Savior's name in vain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Odstarva
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06-19-2015, 01:06 PMbraneri1This is an *expansion*. Not the base game. Really should be self-explanatory. This has nothing to do with a lack of empathy. More like misplaced expectations. There is no need to rush anything; this isn't a race, it is a journey through the world SE has created for us, and if you can't be bothered with taking the time to really enjoy it and smell the roses, that's like going to a high class restaurant and scarfing down your meal like a dog not tasting anything. And all that accomplishes is leaving you with an empty, unsatisfied feeling. The content of this game is not going anywhere, and SE finds multiple ways to get higher level people to keep running older content, not to mention making leveling and catch-up gearing far far easier for new people than it has ever been before. I find it rather absurd to be viewing the time and effort required to catch up to current story content as insurmountable. Take a look around on various threads on the forum and you'll see plenty of anecdotes of just how easy it really is. I can understand it may seem like a lot of work at first, but when you take into account how everything is set up, and actually get into it...it's a whole different picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Odstarva
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06-19-2015, 01:18 PMZodiacBraveI know what I'm doing, and I still see the quests as a chore... right now at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Averax
I did the story because I enjoy going through the story, but I do it in my own pace. If I want to do other things, I can just stop doing story and do those instead. But right now, I have a ton of story quests to catch up to if I want to do the new stuff given in Heavensward. -
06-19-2015, 01:24 PMShai
The TC was just disappointed. They didn't really whine about it.
I can imagine thinking you beat the main story (which technically you do) after Ultima, then realize you were mistaken and you have at least a day (if not more) of random (mostly annoying) quest grinding to do. I've done it on three characters, so yeah - I get it. On the other hand, as someone mentioned, now that the quests give XP, you'll probably burn through the quests AND level to 60 on the way on whatever you main job is right now. So you'll get "new content" a day (or a few days) later than others, but you'll probably be several levels higher on your main job and that's pretty cool, honestly.
Still, I get the disappointment - and I don't get all the bad attitudes in this thread. Doesn't kill you to actually read a post, take it for face value, be supportive or leave. The TC didn't even "wish it were different' just stated how bummed out they were. Find some empathy, community. -
06-19-2015, 01:25 PMNayal
When I go to the movies.The movie Theather does not fast foward the movie to the end of the movie
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06-19-2015, 01:29 PMBiohazard901
Deal with it or play something else.
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06-19-2015, 01:31 PMZodiacBraveMovies are linear experiences. MMOs are not, or at least I hope this particular game isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nayal
Just like watching any series... if Story mode is the only thing FFXIV has to offer, then I have no qualms going through Story mode in order to catch up. Fortunately, this game has more to offer than just linear storytelling.
Yes please. We don't ask you to agree with us. Just... at least feel our sentiments maybe?Quote:
Still, I get the disappointment - and I don't get all the bad attitudes in this thread. Doesn't kill you to actually read a post, take it for face value, be supportive or leave. The TC didn't even "wish it were different' just stated how bummed out they were. Find some empathy, community.
Worry not, I will do exactly that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biohazard901
At least until I cool down or feel like playing this game again. -
06-19-2015, 02:08 PMOdstarvaThank you for explaining all of that, but I am well aware and you appear to have completely missed the point of why I wrote what I wrote to begin with!Quote:
Originally Posted by braneri1
Why do people get so frustrated and angry that someone else has different feelings about something! And it's not even something that affects anyone here in ANY WAY!!!!
He was just venting, expressing some disappointment and maybe looking for some compassion!
And forgive me if I mistook all the (and I quote) "Deal with it or play something else" attitude with anger - I mean damn! It just seems like such a contradictory thing to do... I mean I'm rather happy that I have more people to play with, it also means the game will likely live longer and experience more support and updates (after all, more players = more money = more interest from the company managing the game).
Such a pretty wall of text! -
06-19-2015, 02:16 PMShaiWell, so far, this game has been pretty linear.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave
Even patch Primals have been gated behind story AND previous patch Primals.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ninja is also hiding behind MSQ, isn't it?
However, there is always plenty of content available to do that does not involve the main story. It just so happens the content you (and many others) want to do is behind the main story content. I'd just like to point out that the story of FFXIV (and any story that's trying to be clear and coherent) is very linear and it wouldn't make too much sense to allow you into barred areas without doing the leg work to be allowed into the barred areas.
I do sympathize with disappointment and frustration, but I also think that for the purposes of telling a good story and being an immersive world, this is a good move for the content in question. -
06-19-2015, 03:51 PMOrbital-Dragon
I think there was a serious misunderstanding here, or this community is just filled with a bunch of jerks. I fully intend, and truly wish to do all the story content. I am not "rushing" through anything. I have leveled both dragoon and fisherman to level 50, and I have a couple of other level 30 classes in the works as well. What I was simply stating is that I wish I could continue the rest of the main story and side quests using one of the new classes.
I did not ask for access to the full game, just the simple option to use whatever job I so desire. As far as the people who said "I guess you should of finished the main story then"....I have only been playing for a month now. I did originally play at 2.0 release but had to quit due to school, but I rejoined a month ago and have been steadily moving along. Dont get it twisted! -
06-19-2015, 05:22 PMSartoriThe main story wouldn't make any sense if you headed into Ishgard with part of it done....Quote:
Originally Posted by Orbital-Dragon
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06-19-2015, 05:47 PMPerogwinFor me I am not talking about the story, I just care about the classes. I have said it before, putting the new classes after the main story is done was a dumb idea. They should have simply moved the class trainers to the Central Highlands and let you get them as long as you had 1 job completely finished even if the story wasn't. I would much prefer to be able to play the new classes on alts and go through the story line as them. Don't even start the "But this game you don't need alts" stuff, my play style is just as valid as yours and alts is something I enjoy when new classes come out. Except now in order to get to the classes any alts have to waste time doing the story as classes I have already done it with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sartori
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06-19-2015, 06:02 PMBaneus
I skipped all the cutscenes trying to knock out 2.1-2.55 over last weekend before I went away for work and had no Internet (2.1 is when I was up to date and got MMO burnout). I ended up at The Crysalis :(
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06-19-2015, 06:04 PMSpiritMuseYeah I remember finishing that stuff and thinking I was done, then finding out there was more. XD Sucks when you're expecting to be done and ready to move on only to find out you're not. I didn't mind it though, I love doing the story (though it helps that there wasn't a Heavensward to look forward to at the time).Quote:
Originally Posted by Orbital-Dragon
I think the negativity in this thread is mostly because so many people have already complained about this (in a much more whiny-entitled-brat way than you did) that a lot of people are kind of done with it and don't have a lot of patience any more. -
06-19-2015, 06:12 PMFoxyArekuThere's quite a difference between locking something behind being a certain level and locking it behind hours of story. >.>Quote:
Originally Posted by Tempting
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06-19-2015, 06:23 PMFelisNot reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Lulu89
Alex is closed behind the 3.0 quest.
Can't enter it without clearing the 3.0 storyline, even if you cleared the 2.55 storyline.