OK I'm a lot more bored than I thought I'd be during this downtime. Which is odd cause I have all sorts of house repairs I should be working on. However, did the gamplay footage of AST excite anyone else? I am a tank/healer. That's what I do. Sure DPS is fun but when I head out to do things with people I am either a tank or a healer for it. Originally when the hype started while AST sounded interesting I was really more excited about DRK. After seeing more info leading up to today AST took over as the one I am most excited about. The point, what theory-crafting have you been doing? For instance, for me I'm wondering if Collective Unconscious works for all buffs or just AST buffs.. and if that applies to card buffs. Can you spread Synastry? If so you could heal a group by healing the MT. When do you think you'll use Time Dilation? Just for scripted damage like in primals where everyone groups or how about in tandem with a sch where sacred soil is up for tank and melee while you TD healers/casters/range dps for large aoe moment?
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06-19-2015, 05:28 AMVirinAST excite
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06-19-2015, 05:31 AMGideonHighmourn
Collective Unconcious isn't the buff-spread ability (IIRC); it's the Asylum/Sacred Soil skill. I'm also very certain that the ability to spread buffs is only going to apply to card buffs; too OP otherwise.
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06-19-2015, 05:32 AMSovereignAegis
There is the video?
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06-19-2015, 05:41 AMVirinwas going off the info found here. But in the gameplay the tooltip for it was Collective for the bubble so who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by GideonHighmourn
http://i.imgur.com/1whyU7Q.png
gameplay vids from E3 like this oneQuote:
Originally Posted by SovereignAegis
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06-19-2015, 05:45 AMGideonHighmournThat video shows Collective Unconscious being the Sacred Soil/Asylum buff, not the buff spread ability. As far as I can tell, at least. Somewhere around the 5 minute mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Virin
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06-19-2015, 05:47 AMVirin
Yeah was watching for that a min ago. Still.. names are not the important part of this. It could be called AST bubble of gtfo for all I care its the abilities and the combos of those.
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06-19-2015, 05:52 AMGideonHighmournAs I first stated, it will likely only apply to card buffs. It would be way too OP if it applied to all buffs or to Synastry. SE is a little smarter than that, I'd like to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Virin
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06-19-2015, 06:03 AMVlady
It most likely only spreads the buff of the card. It has already been said it will not spread other buffs that are not astrologian only.
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06-19-2015, 06:06 AMGhishlain
According to what I've seen, the effects Time Dilation and Collective Unconsciousness are actually mixed up on that image.
Also, Time Dilation is reported to actually extend the buffs on a party member by 15 seconds - not share the buffs. That makes more sense to me in the context of what's going on. -
06-19-2015, 07:48 AMSunDriedRainbow
There doesn't appear to be an ability that spreads buffs from player to player at all. Time Dilation and Celestial Opposition both extend buffs on a target or on party members in an area, respectively.
I'm busy memorizing the card elements/effects/royal roads so that I don't take long. Yellow > Lightning > Spire > Tp down (extended duration) put it on the PLD! -
06-19-2015, 07:49 AMckc22
No I'm not excited. I'm probably quitting healing because of this class.
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06-19-2015, 07:54 AMKabzyI'm sorry I had to be nosey and look at your profile, and judging from the gear you have I'm going to assume that you haven't had much coils (end game) experience. I think that alone might be clouding your judgement on Scholar, because all of the abilities we recieved are going to be pretty amazing for said content. I agree that none of the stuff we got sounds exciting for progression and solo stuff, but we have been equipped so well for raids that I think you should at least be excited for the potential. If you are someone who will never raid though, then I could understand why the changes were underwhelming for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ckc22
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06-19-2015, 08:27 AMNorthernLadMSP
Why would you be quitting healing because of Astrologian? That makes no sense.
As for me, I'm VERY excited for it. However, the one complaint I have after looking at all the skills, is why is AST's only healing buff actually a horrid nerf? I'm talking about Lightspeed. It reduces your heals by 25%. WHM has Divine Seal and Presence of Mind, SCH has Fey Illumination and Dissapation and we get something that reduces our healing power? -
06-19-2015, 08:28 AMckc22You know what they say about assuming. Thanks for the attitude though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabzy
Anyways.
Positives: benefits of whm nerfs to protect and stoneskin, aoe esuna (although on a 90s cd), indomitability, deployment tactics
Negatives: lost uniqueness of shields, lustrate mechanical effectiveness nerf, dissipation which sounds superiorly underwhelming, an attack spell that probably costs way too much mana to be useful outside of 'beat the enrage timer', emergency tactics which is also probably useless outside of a two sch party.
Possible negatives: We'll have to see how the 3% haste compares to the old spell/skill speed buffs.
Outside of indomitability and deployment tactics I'm really not seeing what you find so.... let's say whelming... about it. -
06-19-2015, 08:30 AMckc22Maybe because I don't like what they've given to Ast or what they've done to whm and sch.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP
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06-19-2015, 08:31 AMNorthernLadMSP
LOL ok, thanks for the specifics.
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06-19-2015, 08:35 AMGaldousWhite mage I can understand but scholars are probably going to be in an even better position then astrologian. If buffs are randomized and powering up the next card causes you to lose your in storage card and a 60 second cooldown it will make timing astrologian buffs a bit of a headache. Randomness is not a good thing when it comes to whether or not you want a scholar that can provide utility on demand when almost all encounters have periods of time you want on demand abilities. Will have to see how it works but from what I am seeing at first astrologian might be a watered down hybrid of white mage and scholar with random effects that does not even provide bonus dps that makes it worthwhile over the damage abilities of a white mage and scholar.Quote:
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06-19-2015, 08:50 AMloreleidiangeloOn moves like Protect, Stoneskin, and Ascend (raise), which aren't affected by your healing potency, a faster cast time could be pretty beneficial. I do admit though, for the sheer number of instant-cast abilities that Astrologian seems to have, that the effect of Lightspeed seems pretty underwhelming in the current meta.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP
On-topic, I'm pretty excited about it, though since I'm re-rolling as an Au Ra Astrologian I do feel a bit of shame at being a crowd follower and doing what everyone else seems to be doing. >__> -
06-19-2015, 08:54 AMGaldousI would not be. There is a reason Astrologian is going to be the most played job in 3.0. It has been given some of the best attention and the effects are amongst the best. Itleast everyone going astrologian will feel like being a bard and running into a group of clones feels for the last year and half ;p. Reddit poll had astrologian i think at near 50% of the job that people will check out with only 20% for machinist. I would have thought dark knight would have been the one everyone would been wanting to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo
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06-19-2015, 09:03 AMckc22This doesn't strike you as problematic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Galdous
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06-19-2015, 09:06 AMGaldousI am estatic about machinist taking the load off the job I am going to main in 3.0 so not really ;p. I play a bard for mainly style and the feel of being an archer off fire emblem. In all honesty though Astrologian has the ultimate caster cool factor out of all the jobs. Summoners getting to channel Bahamut is up there but there will be no healing shortage any time soon and if there is a smaller dps queue then healer queue who am I to argue.Quote:
Originally Posted by ckc22
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06-19-2015, 09:06 AMKabzy
AST will be flavour of the month but I doubt it'll be the most played job overall. Firstly most non-healers will probably eventually go back to their original roles, and then we have to take into account that there will always be more DPS players than healers anyway.
Though for the first month it will be quite terrifying the amount of Dark Knights and Astrologians out there who have no clue about tanking or healing. xD