What is it about paladin...?

In so many topics around here I see people griping about paladin, and yet when someone makes a topic asking if its bad the same people leap to its defense and say its amazing etc etc.

Personally I can see and respect the strength of both tanks, and there are certainly pld mains around here that do too. But even with the expanded moveset they're getting with HW I still see players wanting to stance dance off gcd and wanting stun off gcd. And that flash needs to deal dage like op. Will the general paladin populace not be sated until they are the ultimate tank in all regards and there's 0 point in playing anything else?

Well... read those gripes. Those threads complaining aren't saying paladin isn't a viable tank. Generally they're saying that they find it to be a boring tank. (But it's fine for some people, like me). Not going to go further into it because the topic's been done to death already.

Every class needs its turn at the "oh god this is awful!" brigade. We've had WAR, BLM, DRG, and SMN in the hot seat so far. However, we're finally in a situation where the classes are balanced well enough that one really can't gripe on them because they can't do their role as well as the other guys. Therefore, people have flocked to what people believe is the most boring class in the game to play: Paladin.

I think the true reason for this though is that people are getting antsy with Heavensward so close. The complaining genes are running strong in these forums, and it isn't just about Pallies.

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Originally Posted by ArdorGrey

But even with the expanded moveset they're getting with HW I still see players wanting to stance dance off gcd and wanting stun off gcd. And that flash needs to deal dage like op. Will the general paladin populace not be sated until they are the ultimate tank in all regards and there's 0 point in playing anything else?

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I think for the most part people that main PLD (myself) find no issues and are quite content with it, if I found it boring I wouldn't be playing it. I think the people who jump over to it to "try" it out are the most vocal about as they are going to compare it to what they are use to, which is entirely different.

There's nothing to do in the game anymore.

HW is 5 days away.

Everyone is really, really bored.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

There's nothing to do in the game anymore. Everyone is really, really bored.

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Future post maybe around July 30.

As someone who plays monk as their main dps which is an insanely "active" job in terms of doing something, I find no issues with my pally.

I dunno, different strokes for different folks

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Well... read those gripes. Those threads complaining aren't saying paladin isn't a viable tank. Generally they're saying that they find it to be a boring tank. (But it's fine for some people, like me). Not going to go further into it because the topic's been done to death already.

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Actually, there was a thread started by someone claiming paladins can't tank. It was met with a chorus of unanimous opinion that it was simply the OP who couldn't tank.

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Originally Posted by Conradus

Actually, there was a thread started by someone claiming paladins can't tank. It was met with a chorus of unanimous opinion that it was simply the OP who couldn't tank.

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Well, because it WAS the OP that couldn't tank... The many many paladin tanks that exist and function just fine was proof enough of that.

Just wait... In 5 days there will be plds/wars screaming that drk is OP... brds will be crying about machinist... and the sch/whm crowd will post so many RIP healer topics you won't know which ones you've read.

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Originally Posted by Arkanethered

Just wait... In 5 days there will be plds/wars screaming that drk is OP... brds will be crying about machinist... and the sch/whm crowd will post so many RIP healer topics you won't know which ones you've read.

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It may be the other way around. Could be that DRKs will be screaming that they're too weak, or lack such and such skill. Remember, Paladins got one of the major things they have always been asking for, a 3rd hit on Riot Blade. Then they got even more, another branch skill on Savage Blade. Then there's the guaranteed block.

Warriors got some pretty things as well. A DPS stance that switches stacks is huge. We know very little about what Dark Knights are getting. Yes, there have been bits and pieces, but you're talking about tanks that were already completely viable in all situations that we were up against being given even more tools against a tank class that we haven't gotten to play with at all, that hasn't been player tested at all, and that we know nothing about. It could be great. It could fall flat on its face. We simply don't know anything beyond that the tanks we do have already have proven themselves to be capable in the face of every challenge we have faced.

I don't think there will ever be a time where PLD isn't the go-to main tank job for this game.

Everyone's bored.

But since the last week or so, some of them logged in and came back to prepare for HW, which is great.

And I'm seeing LOTS of green leaves popping up and they're not bots at all. Which is great.

I feel like Pallys rock. They're solid and with the new changes, will be more involved with their rotations. When I'm in a group with a Pally, I am 99% of the time more comfortable with going OT on WAR.

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Originally Posted by Conradus

Actually, there was a thread started by someone claiming paladins can't tank. It was met with a chorus of unanimous opinion that it was simply the OP who couldn't tank.

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Oh yeah, there's exceptions... I was just speaking of general trends.

Paladin? What is it about Monks is the better question. Sure they're not the highest DPS, despite what the ignorant idiots says, but they still up there. But for some reason they are, by far, the least played job in the game, whats up with that?

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Originally Posted by PenutButter

Paladin? What is it about Monks is the better question. Sure they're not the highest DPS, despite what the ignorant idiots says, but they still up there. But for some reason they are, by far, the least played job in the game, whats up with that?

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Because they are, mechanically, a pain in the neck. Phase jumps really break their flow, as does any mechanic that causes them to stop DPSing for a time (like say Wild Charge in T10 targeting the MNK). Primal fights have traditionally been very anti-MNK as well (though the last couple have been more friendly too them since they don't go invulnerable every 30 seconds).

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Originally Posted by Alahra

Because they are, mechanically, a pain in the neck. Phase jumps really break their flow, as does any mechanic that causes them to stop DPSing for a time (like say Wild Charge in T10 targeting the MNK). Primal fights have traditionally been very anti-MNK as well (though the last couple have been more friendly too them since they don't go invulnerable every 30 seconds).

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In HW they are giving them abilities to help keep the flow going as well and deal with jumps/phase changes which is nice.

Not everyone who had gripes about Paladins is just is part of some brigade mandated to periodically complain, or 'just bored' with nothing better to do. Why would anyone try to invalidate other pls issues and concerns on a topic by saying that?

I personally have always had issues with the class, and probably will after the expansion has been around for a while, because like someone else in the thread mentioned, the additional abilities probably aren't going make the class that much more engaging.

I've mostly been a lurker but I find the recent increase in pally threads mildly amusing