So my DF queue happened to pop while my screen was loading, thus making it impossible for me to accept. Now I have to wait 30 minutes before I can requeue because I apparently "left the duty" and am being punished for that.
Why am I being punished for this when it's completely out of my control? If some of the loading times are over 30 seconds (low enough that I don't even see it when it pops -- I just see a 'you didn't accept' message in my chat box), why is there a penalty attached to DF queues?
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06-13-2015, 01:38 AMAlisiloading screens~
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06-13-2015, 01:40 AMPeachy
30 seconds to load? what are you playing on?
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06-13-2015, 01:45 AMAlisiA PC. The loading time can be crazy sometimes. Especially in the cities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peachy
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06-13-2015, 02:10 AMDante_V
There is a penalty attached to duty finder queues to stop people from queuing and not accepting. It doesn't happen after one time either Im pretty sure it's like 3 in 24 hour period.
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06-13-2015, 03:37 AMUrthdigger
Should make it possible to accept while zoning, like how you can chat.
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06-13-2015, 03:44 AMEye_GoreYou mean a peasant PS4 is faster than a PC, hmmm I wonder who the master race really is. 12 second load maximum to MD peak times. Otherwise less than 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisi
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06-13-2015, 03:55 AMUrthdiggerA PC with an SSD drive is faster :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Eye_Gore
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06-13-2015, 04:25 AMAskaRay
This has happened to me before. Sometimes it takes me two minutes to load into Mor Dhona, thanks to my barely-able-to-run-this-game laptop.
I just eat the penalty. I don't mind... besides, even if you could accept, the game would still have to have you load onto the map that you're trying to get to, THEN load into the dungeon... -
06-13-2015, 06:46 AMCynfaelBecause...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisi
A) It's not actually out of your control. Running the game on a better machine would improve your play experience and that of others in this case. That being said, I know it isn't always feasible to run out and upgrade or replace your equipment at the drop of a hat.
B) This (or something else that caused you to withdraw at the ready prompt) must have already happened at least twice in the same 24-hour period before you received a penalty. If not, then you should file a bug report.
C) The small evil of inconveniencing the occasional "normal" player is balanced against the larger concern of reducing the occurrence of in-progress fishing and outright trollish queue behavior. -
06-13-2015, 07:41 AMLunaHoshino
If you know you have a slow computer that can sometimes have long loading times (as I do), you learn to minimize teleporting while you're waiting for something to pop. That's entirely on you; it's not a fault with the system.
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06-13-2015, 09:18 AMNadirahMy pc is 6 years old and cpu bottlenecked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eye_Gore
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06-13-2015, 09:48 AMT2teddy
Same here! :( :p
Minimum 30 sec loading screens and up to 60 in heavy traffic areas -
06-13-2015, 01:34 PMAlisiYes. Which should tell you about the load times I experience sometimes. I missed several queues simply because of the load times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante_V
LOL! Wut? Are you kidding? I've played much bigger MMO games (such as WoW, where trolldom is an art form) and let me tell you that I've never seen queue shenanigans. Ever. Even in LFR, which is so trollilicious that it ain't funny. Overall, the only people who almost always get insta queues are tanks. The fact that you have to wait a hour or two if you miss the group when it pops is big enough of a penalty for DPS. If you really feel like there is a problem then you should be in favor of tank only penalties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cynfael
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06-13-2015, 02:17 PMCynfaelI'm going to assume that you're relatively new to the game and probably started playing after this change went into effect. Queue shenanigans were far worse before the penalty for third and subsequent withdrawals at the acceptance prompt was put into place, as players of all roles would constantly fish for in-progress queues due to the lack of penalty. It was worst with 24-person content since even a few persistent fishers could hold up queues for quite some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisi
As a player of other MMOs, you should already understand that not all aspects of your gaming experience will be the same here. Also, if you think that tanks are the only ones who cause problems with queues, you're very wrong. -
06-13-2015, 04:23 PMAlisiSo why didn't they just make it so you can't tell if it's in progress and, once actually in the dungeon, give players the 30 minute debuff who quit the group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cynfael
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06-13-2015, 06:23 PMNadirah
Would be easier if the system just let you accept at load screen.
I lost a queue yesterday after cancelling a cutscene. 60s of black screen in Vesper Bay because of Hildibrand. -
06-14-2015, 12:05 AMCynfaelI suppose they could have removed the "in-progress" notification at the acceptance prompt, but they'd also have to rework how the entire prompt is displayed since it's still obviously in-progress when you are almost always the only person not to have already accepted the prompt the instant it appears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisi
There was a bit of pushback when they introduced the withdrawal penalty, but it has definitely minimized the amount of time spent playing whack-a-mole with the prompt window. -
06-14-2015, 12:59 AMUrthdigger
They actually used to not tell you if a dungeon was in-progress. Forget why they changed it...
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06-14-2015, 02:00 AMConradusQuote:
Originally Posted by Eye_Gore
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06-14-2015, 08:56 PMAlisiAll it has to say is that 'A dungeon party has been found!' and have okay and leave queue. If it's a specific dungeon, then all it has to say is that 'a party has been found'. It's not that hard. After you hit okay then you're liable for the deserter debuff -- including those who try to duck out by DCing. A kick from a group that hasn't beaten the first boss should result in a debuff as well. It's direct and it targets those who do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cynfael
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06-15-2015, 02:17 AMEloah
I'm on a PS3 and this has happened a few times. Usually though I check tge queue to see how far it's progressed; if it looks like it'll pop I stay where I am, if not I go places. Of course the main reasons its popped when imwas in a load screen were because of random insta-pops, lol.
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06-15-2015, 02:46 AMEye_GoreHmm, this thread would like to introduce itself to you: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...improve-my-ps4Quote:
Originally Posted by Conradus
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06-15-2015, 03:16 AMPetiteMalFleurI recall sitting in queue with withdrawn queue pops for over 90 minutes trying to enter CT. It was not just tanks but also crafters or afk dps who failed to accept. The penalty, while harsh, has gone a long way to improve the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisi
The outcry from the community with specific requests for a penalty is why we have one in place. They did remove the actual progress status from the 24 man raids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisi
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06-15-2015, 11:42 AMVoldemort
When using a PS3, I've found that i will be loading in while a duty commencement pops up.
Usually I steer clear of Mor Dhona if I'm expecting to queue fast, since it takes longer to load there than to accept the duty prompt.
Same problems with joining player's parties, or finding out that Odin spawned and you need to turn back around into the Central Shroud.....