I think it'd be a lot more interesting for us to be able to tweak secondary statistics... short 5 accuracy, reallocate! Wanna meet that skill-speed soft cap? Reallocate! Wanna try a build with some more piety? We have a reallocation for that!
I'd say leave piety/vitality as options, however.
Primary statistics are very flat. This would at least make for more interesting customization.
As well, I think some sort of trait customization/selection system would be interesting at some point... similar to how PVP let's you trait-select for its abilities. Perhaps for 4.0 or 3.5 :)
Please rework Stat Bonuses to be Secondary Stats Instead
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06-09-2015, 07:18 AMYuri_HyugaPlease rework Stat Bonuses to be Secondary Stats Instead
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06-09-2015, 07:27 AMBurningskull
I would really like them to have more info in the character screen. Like tell me how much attack power or damage or w/e that Determination is giving me, or what % chance crit is giving me. Would be awesome.
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06-09-2015, 08:14 AMm3eanseanThis has been calculated to within a very close degree of accuracy by Theorycrafters, should you choose to look into the matter more. You can then extrapolate how much WPN damage each sub stat is giving you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burningskull
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06-09-2015, 08:16 AMMeleoffsIt's been found but you have to look for it, what is the problem with having that on the character menu?Quote:
Originally Posted by m3eansean
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06-09-2015, 08:17 AMm3eanseanAlmost every DPS would be pigeon-holed into dumping all the sub stats into Crit and Det (see the Zodiac Weapon relic arc). This is hardly more fun and interesting. Either you optimize and split them Crit/Det depending on gear, or you go sub-optimal and use your sub stats on speed or piety as a DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuri_Hyuga
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06-09-2015, 08:19 AMm3eanseanNothing wrong with having on the character menu, I just feel like the design decisions in some of these cases lean away from giving the player explicit detail about the stat weights and formulae. Why this decision was made, I can't say for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meleoffs
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06-09-2015, 10:23 AMPhafiCause if they start adding monsters with stats like defense/critical hit evasion/damage type mitigation, then your character screen is going to be incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meleoffs
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06-10-2015, 08:03 AMYuri_HyugaNot really. There are soft-caps & a hard-cap to meet for various stats, depending on the Job. It'd be more interesting than "all into strength or vitality."Quote:
Originally Posted by m3eansean
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06-10-2015, 08:08 AMm3eanseanCan you provide a source please detailing the hard caps? The only soft cap I'm aware of is speed skills which can help you squeeze in another GCD attack before a buff goes away etc. I don't believe there are any hard caps to attributes such as Determination and Critical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuri_Hyuga
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06-10-2015, 08:38 AMYuri_HyugaAccuracy technically counts as a hard-cap, however subjectively encounter-based.Quote:
Originally Posted by m3eansean
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06-10-2015, 09:04 AMAble
I'd like the stat bonuses to either be tweaked to be far more significant. Or, remove them entirely.
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06-10-2015, 09:44 AMMorzy
Looks to me like a luxury we do not need.
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06-10-2015, 10:43 AMYuri_HyugaWe don't need a lot of things, doesn't mean we don't ask for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morzy
Chocobo during queue would be a godsend. -
06-10-2015, 10:54 AMOce
Removing the main stats would just swap some stats out for others. You literally would not be adding any new options.
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06-10-2015, 11:29 AMYuri_HyugaAs it is, almost any Job has only two effectual options: main damage stat & vitality. That's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oce
You'd have better variety with secondary stats & more to work with, especially when swapping out gear pieces & the sort. -
06-10-2015, 11:34 AMOcePiety whm right here actually. And as was mentioned earlier, if you went secondary you'd still only have two options. Crit or det for most dps. I get that you probably personally want to put all your points into crit or something and you're mad that you can't, but making the stat allocation secondary based doesn't change much at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuri_Hyuga
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06-10-2015, 11:56 AMYuri_Hyuga1) I said, "almost any."Quote:
Originally Posted by Oce
2) And I already countered that point earlier... so yeah.
3) Critical & Skill/Spell-Speed each have soft caps, Accuracy has a hard-cap... so there'd be reason to interchange sometimes, especially with gear swapping.
4a) Critical & Determination are more often go-to's, sure... but this still doesn't negate the fact that you'd have more workable options under this system vs. the current.
4b) Critical & Determination, just because they're frequently the best option, doesn't mean that players always desire to play the 'min-max' game... some people prefer to experiment or try alternatives out. Secondaries give better freedom for that.
5) Piety should also remain an option, I forgot to include it... even though it is considered a primary attribute. So there's that.
6) PVP is a whole different ballgame which would benefit greatly from the swap... it's BiS stats are far less regimented & 'min-max-y'... you have more viable stat-build options or ways of playing (e.g. both Crit WAR & SS WAR have great merit). -
06-10-2015, 12:16 PMOce
I would personally rather they had all of them, not just the secondary skills. Removing primaries is a bad idea, imo. But adding secondaries is not.
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06-10-2015, 12:35 PMYuri_HyugaAll wouldn't work without reworking stats as the stat-weights for str/dex/int/mnd are far greater than those of the secondaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oce
It'd be interesting if they rebalanced all the stats to hold near-equivalent weights... only problem is that strength/determination/intelligence/mind are such boring stats.
At least there's something more enticing to have periodical big hits or accelerated combat.
Part of the issue is how dull our stat-options currently are... but that's a whole different beast.
It'd be nice if they added regenerative stats (e.g. TP regain rate & so forth) like Spirit from WoW... though, I'd almost prefer they folded that function into current Speed stats so you're not TP starved for building Skill-Speed & such.
On the other hand, finding the appropriate balance of haste:regen stat balancing would create a more interesting dynamic & add another layer to current gear which I feel would benefit the game. -
06-10-2015, 12:35 PMMorzyThat's not really a fair comparison considering chocobo while in queue would promote multi-tasking that would otherwise leave the player sitting there waiting on queue as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuri_Hyuga
Changing the stat accumolation so you can change your secondary stats... I mean hell, dude, that's what materia melding is for. -
06-10-2015, 12:41 PMYuri_HyugaContextually, the comparison was about the merit in asking for the things we want. It wasn't to compare types of requests. In other words, it had nothing to do with the purpose or nature of the request being made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morzy
While we're at it though, whole lot of materia melding going on with a majority of end-game items..... (though, maybe Heavensward will change this; we'l have to wait & see :P)