Anyone else's excitement at breaking level 50 slightly curbed by...

the thought of "wait a minute I have 3 full action bars in use for every class already..."

This game definitely isn't WoW where you can put 90% of your character on a single priority action macro afterall

I hear you. I can't even imagine how much more space I'm going to need for my Paladin alone, never mind redoing all my hotbars across every single job. Remind me why I decided to cap every class again?

Im not really interesst to level(grind) to lv60. (Also; I have no space for these new skills<-<)

I will 1st start to play and lv up Arstro and Dark Knight jobs slowly to lv50 (mainly only daily rouletes + leves + weekly quests bonus')

1st weeks of expert roulete will be dead anyways, because I heared those will stupidly need lv60! And people want to play new jobs or upgrading ctafter classes.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lemuria

I hear you. I can't even imagine how much more space I'm going to need for my Paladin alone, never mind redoing all my hotbars across every single job. Remind me why I decided to cap every class again?

---

I still got loads of room for on my hotbar for PLD. One short cut I did was combie Ramparts and forsight on 1 slot as a maccro.

\ac Ramparts
\ac Foresight

Use it will use ramparts and skip foresight and using it again since ramparts will be on CD will use foresight.

Another one I use for my war that could be used for PLD 2nd combo output.

I'll post a screen shot of it, on wife's hudl horrible to type on.

on my main 3 bars i have an average of 7 free slots on all jobs so not too worried. there's 10 total bars to use anyway.

edit: this is how my whm looks like now. there's still some useless things around that i cba to take off.

http://i.imgur.com/C8j4d24.jpg

Im more worried about Keybinds for the new skills. I might have to just start macroing my Cooldowns into chunks.
I just wish i could macro the 1-2-3 combos for all jobs like i did for my Monk. Saved me a few binds there.

I have four bars in use currently and each one has about half of its space left for characters at level cap (1-0, alt, ctrl, and shift). I, for one, am very excited for the new abilities because they're sounding genuinely new and I'm so used to expansions giving you PunchBaddie X to replace your PunchBaddie IX.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Caraway

I have four bars in use currently and each one has about half of its space left for characters at level cap (1-0, alt, ctrl, and shift). I, for one, am very excited for the new abilities because they're sounding genuinely new and I'm so used to expansions giving you PunchBaddie X to replace your PunchBaddie IX.

---

Im more used to WoW expansions, where you ended up with less skills as the expansions went on :P

I have a few spots that could be freed up for non-time-critical abilities, but those are the ones I stick my pots in. I could put those onto a vertical hotbar, except that all of those are shared for quick job changes, marking, and various other mounts/announcements/etc and have no room left. It's going to be ugly with the way things are now. Part of me is kind of hopeful that they're going to add more buttons to each bar, because if they add new abilities to the SMN pets, there won't be any room for them on the current pet hotbar. Personally I hope for extra hotbars(both horizontal and vertical) as well.

After what WoW did to classes I welcome having a variety of skills to put to use instead of 3 or 4. >_>

Not even worried. 2.5 gcd gives me plenty of time to switch pages on a cross hotbar. Also we'll have an entire month before Savage mode opens up....plenty of time to get used to the new skills.

Look at it this way:

PLD already has two potential macros, one for defensive CDs and one for Circle/Spirits, a possible third if you wanna put awareness/sentinel on their own macro as well.

We've made space. XD

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

1st weeks of expert roulete will be dead anyways, because I heared those will stupidly need lv60! And people want to play new jobs or upgrading ctafter classes.

---

Well seeing as the HW expert will consist of level 60 dungeons. yeah, real stupid to make you need level 60 to do level 60 dungeons...... (sarcasm mode off)

Unless they fix the macro queuing like regular abilities, I'm not going to be using them in battle.
I'm not so worried about the hotbar real estate, but I'm more worried about activating the new hotbar/area with my mouse. So far, my g600 has 28 hotbar spots assigned to it. But I'm pretty much at the limit.

Maybe I'll finally have to make a separate macro profile (for the mouse not ingame macros). I've never actually utilized the gshift function due to it's delay. Maybe... maybe...

I am not worried due to the fact its only 5 skills......and majority of them are not constantly used all the time.. I welcome the change...its not like im going ot belevel 60 anytime soon... im leveling my alt / dark to level 50

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Canadane

Unless they fix the macro queuing like regular abilities, I'm not going to be using them in battle.
I'm not so worried about the hotbar real estate, but I'm more worried about activating the new hotbar/area with my mouse. So far, my g600 has 28 hotbar spots assigned to it. But I'm pretty much at the limit.

Maybe I'll finally have to make a separate macro profile (for the mouse not ingame macros). I've never actually utilized the gshift function due to it's delay. Maybe... maybe...

---

Just add Ctrl, Shift, Alt, Ctrl + Shift, Ctrl + Alt, Alt + Shift, then you get 72 extras :p

Or you can get a Warmouse Meta and free up them movement keys ;)

http://www.hitechreview.com/uploads/...Mouse-Meta.jpg

most of the new skills do look like they tried to give more cooldowns to classes with big rotations and bigger rotations to the classes with too many cooldowns at least.

I literally have like 7+ free spaces on my 3 bars for every job. I don't know how people are filling them up when there just aren't enough abilities on your class to do that. My main concern is where I'm going to actually keybind them.

With the controller hotbar, I've already cleared some space for new actions and I feel like I have plenty of room. I had been quick swapping between 2 hotbars, but now I am using the RT+LT as a shared hotbar with actions that are used on multiple jobs (Blood for Blood, Invigorate, Limit Break, etc.).

So in Heavensward, i'll still be swapping between 2 hotbars in battle but also have the third shared set available for quick access.

I'm ready!

Sometime ago I setup a new shared action bar. So all my jobs have 4 unshared now... But main reason was I do PVP and I know that it was going.

Also I know I would love different hud per job and they said that would be prefect with the armory system but that's as far as it got.

I'm just kind of curious as to how many macros people use that you're all filing up so many hot bars? It must be a PC thing, because as a PS4 player I only really need two hotbars, (not counting my pet hotbar which is automatic), for all of my skills as well as a few items of convenience such as my mount, sprint, summon chocobo, ect. I do have a third hotbar that is shared amongst my classes that I rarely use, which has a few macros that save me a few seconds of typing in a simple text command, (/hud dlist to be specific on one of them), as well as the mark icons which I rarely need as I don't tank...

EDIT: Thought to be fair, upon looking at the "show your hud" thread, I do notice that PC hotbars only have 12 slots, whereas PS4 Crossbars have 16, so this may have something to do with it. All together this means that 4 hotbars for PC players is equal to 3 for PS4 players, (I'm not counting the Pet hotbar in either instance since it's not customizable). Still, with even just my two basic hotbars that I use, I don't see any problems with having space for new skills. I have four spaces that I can easily clear out without any worries, and a simple macro or two can clear out at least three more.....

So long as I don't have to use THIS many macros, I'm fine:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile.../?id=456416135

Hmm, well for the PC players who use keyboard and mouse, you know you have access to shift commands, though I use a G600, I also have on the keyboard, `, R, T, F, V, B, shift R, Shift V and not to mention Shift 1,2,3,4.
Also I have most of the g600 extra buttons on shift as well to double up the keybinds on there.

I still have plenty of keybinds remaining with how I have set up my configuration, people just need to adapt and start practising these sorta keybinds, no need to macro stuff.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lemuria

I hear you. I can't even imagine how much more space I'm going to need for my Paladin alone, never mind redoing all my hotbars across every single job. Remind me why I decided to cap every class again?

---

I hear you, I'm level 50 all classes as well. I put a good deal of thought into how to set up all my cross bars as every class in order to get good efficiency. Now all of that will need to be revisited. But... until I've seen what all the new actions are, there's really no point in dwelling on it. Play it, experience it, take it as it comes. I'll sort something out when I hit level 60.

Well I do have room right now that is being taken up by things such as some emotes and menu selections. Wouldn't be that hard to move those off. What will harder is rearranging actions for new rotations.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lemuria

I hear you. I can't even imagine how much more space I'm going to need for my Paladin alone, never mind redoing all my hotbars across every single job. Remind me why I decided to cap every class again?

---

I'll join in on this and say that I hear you and the OP on this as well. Now granted, we don't know exactly HOW many new skills we're getting for Heavensward, but if it isn't by a crazy amount, I won't have much trouble fitting the new skills into my hotbars and re-arranging them me thinks. I've got like... almost nothing on my second hotbar for my BLM, and I'm a freaking gamepad player, lol.

I AM a bit concerned as to how I'm going to re-arrange my WAR, PLD, and SMN hotbars though. Sometimes, being level 50 in all roles can be a drag... but worth it in the end for flexibility~

I'm looking forward to the challenge of redesigning my action bars. I get a lot of enjoyment out of tweaking my UI around to maximize my efficiency.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess

I still got loads of room for on my hotbar for PLD. One short cut I did was combie Ramparts and forsight on 1 slot as a maccro.

---

I prefer to combine Awareness with Foresight. That way it serves as a (weak) mini Rampart by itself. Though, I have to confess, Foresight never seems to make much difference to the damage I take. I hope they fix that someday.

I could probably macro a few things together, but I'd rather not to be honest. One of the good things about having them separately is I can time abilities between combo strikes to minimize delays. Macros are unfortunately rather slow for that purpose, and easily interrupted. Maybe I can shunt over a couple of items onto a 3rd or 4th bar...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TruebladeNuke

Now granted, we don't know exactly HOW many new skills we're getting for Heavensward, but if it isn't by a crazy amount, I won't have much trouble

---

We're getting 5 new skills per job. This is indicated by the fact we're getting a new job skill every 2 levels. With Ninja, that could be more if they decide to give us extra Mudras, but at least mudras still use the same number of primary skills overall.

Whenever people talk about the limits of hotbars, it usually stems from lack of keybindings.. (I'm excluding all you console players, you have your own problems to deal with)
With 10 hotbars at 12 slots each, that's 120 slots. You really won't need much more than that unless you want to have like 8 shared hotbars or something.

Mess with your bindings, get used to using shift, ctrl, alt modifiers and combination of the three. I find Ctrl + Shift works really well for cool down skills, it's hard to use by mistake and not too hard to reach with pinky and ring finger.

Also, drop 6 to = unless you have gigantic hands, and separate the latter half of the bar to using Shift, Ctrl, and Alt

It's really all about the keybindings if you're a PC player.. I have 4 of my bars bound and I find that to be more than sufficient.. In fact, I usually have a bar and a half empty because I don't have enough skills to fill them all.

Don't forget you can also keybind your immediate area around wasd keys (qwer asdf zxcv) as long as you use them with a modifier and that'll grant you an entire bar per modifier.

Really, the number of skills each class has is not overwhelming at all, it's actually on the lower end in numbers compared to many other games.

If you have extra buttons on your mouse, they help too but I use those mostly for mount, sprint, and teleports.. So I can navigate one handed.

Idk I got 2 bars (24 binds) for my war and got no issues

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lemuria

We're getting 5 new skills per job. This is indicated by the fact we're getting a new job skill every 2 levels. With Ninja, that could be more if they decide to give us extra Mudras, but at least mudras still use the same number of primary skills overall.

---

Oh. Goes to show that I haven't paid THAT much attention recently, lol.

Heh, that's not as bad I figured it'd be though. 5 new skills should be relatively easy to fit in on my gamepad hotbars. Maybe.

With controller I use only 2 bars with battle skills.
2 * 16 = 42 skill slots

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Felis

With controller I use only 2 bars with battle skills.
2 * 16 = 42 skill slots

---

*32 skill slots :p

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lemuria

I hear you. I can't even imagine how much more space I'm going to need for my Paladin alone, never mind redoing all my hotbars across every single job. Remind me why I decided to cap every class again?

---

Just something to note, the new PLD combo that utilizes Riot Blade will be completely optional, having this new cpmbo does nothing to change RoH-cycling, I probably won't even use the new combo if it really is nothing better than RoH.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nexxa

After what WoW did to classes I welcome having a variety of skills to put to use instead of 3 or 4. >_>

---

And if you go to the wow forums they still complain about "button bloat".

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GenJoe

Just add Ctrl, Shift, Alt, Ctrl + Shift, Ctrl + Alt, Alt + Shift, then you get 72 extras :p

Or you can get a Warmouse Meta and free up them movement keys ;)

http://www.hitechreview.com/uploads/...Mouse-Meta.jpg

---

Only issue with that is it'd be bad with general use and other games.. especially FPSes. I prefer the Logitech G600:

http://gaming.logitech.com/assets/47...use-images.png

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BHGlobbd

Just something to note, the new PLD combo that utilizes Riot Blade will be completely optional, having this new cpmbo does nothing to change RoH-cycling, I probably won't even use the new combo if it really is nothing better than RoH.

---

If this game has taught me anything, it's that there's no such thing as optional once it's on your class. Sooner or later you'll be expected to use it, so I might as well get used to it and make room on the hotbar.

I'm going to have to make new hotkeys.

Not that I mind. The more buttons I have to press the better imo.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BHGlobbd

Just something to note, the new PLD combo that utilizes Riot Blade will be completely optional, having this new cpmbo does nothing to change RoH-cycling, I probably won't even use the new combo if it really is nothing better than RoH.

---

There's not a single ability in the game that is optional use, and if the new ability for paladins is higher dps, then it too will not be optional (unless you're bad, I guess).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kaethra

Only issue with that is it'd be bad with general use and other games.. especially FPSes. I prefer the Logitech G600:

---

Personally, I consider all those "mmo" mouse to be no more than gimmicks.. and technically speaking, the Meta has superior hardware specs than most (higher dpi, analog stick included, more buttons, bigger memory size also iirc) it just never picked up because of its weird/laughable design. I have heard of some people having success with it, but Warmouse Meta originally was touted as the open office mouse which was meant to be used for work situations and each button having its own macro scripts programmed in. Too bad the price never came down below $80 so I never got to try it :(

yeah I can understand having to rearrange some things around but nobody should ever be completely out of room. We get 3280 action slots available to put on Your screen, it just matters on how you arrange them.