Is it ideal to jump from AF Tool to Supra Tool (Skipping Artisan's)?

To All the Master Crafters:

I'm trying to upgrade the last few crafts to Lucis level Tools.

* Is it possible to upgrade from your base AF Main Hand Tool directly to Supra Tool (skipping the i70 Artisan's Tool inbetween)?

* And is it ideal? (Or would the failure rate be so high that it's not worth it?)


Thanks!

To upgrade it to Supra you need Mastercraft and Fieldcraft III Demimaterias...
And for getting these, your gear doesnt matter, since they come from desynthesis.
You could even buy those from the Market Board.
(Mastercraft demimateria comes from the ilv70 Artisan Tools or Artisan Spectacles, so buying them from MB is probably your only option)

The other thing you'll need is 5 craftable "tokens", which MUST be NQ (NOT HQ), and assuming you can get the minimum craftmanship required to craft them (by wearing artisan gear, melds, food, FC buffs...), it shouldn't be a problem.

If you're at all interested in obtaining masterbook IIs (4 star recipes) I would advise against it.

Not having a Supra tool gives you the chance to fail the tokens and put 5 nq tokens to good use (supra turn-in) not to mention artisan tokens are really cheap to make at this point. Each tool should only cost about 50-70k each.. Some even cheaper and you can desynth them too if your dlvl is high enough.

No reason to do this i think. It is not very difficult to craft tokens for artisan tools, then gear. This will allow you to buff your stats (many melds needed to get higher stats than you can have with unmeldable artisans). Also, you will become able to make mastercraft demi yourself.

Artisan tools are so cheap to make now, compared to what they used to be. Most cost only 8 or 10 tokens.

It's worth going for an Artisan's now if you ever plan on obtaining your Masterbook II. The reason for this is that it is best to attempt to obtain your Masterbook II BEFORE you obtain your Supra or Lucis tool. The reason for this is that you can then use your failures at trying to HQ the Masterbook tokens to pay for your Supra.

Try to HQ those tokens. If you manage to craft three of them HQ before you wind up with five NQ, then you've paid for your book and can craft the remaining Supra NQ tokens you need, easy. If you fail to craft three HQ before you have five NQ - no harm done. Set aside your Masterbook tokens for now, upgrade to Supra and then Lucis, and crafting any remaining HQ tokens will be much easier.

When crafting your Masterbook II tokens, even with a Lucis tool you WILL (unless you are super lucky) wind up crafting a few NQ tokens. It's nice for those NQ tokens to be useful for something.

If you can manage to regularly achieve even as little as 40% quality rate on your token synths, you are statistically likely to wind up with three HQ tokens out of eight!

Thanks all.

I totally forgot about Masterbook II requirements and the synergy of using the NQ vs. HQ versions for these. :)

As an FYI, I have fully melded Artisan's Gear (I have Lucis for 3 crafts already)... just trying to catch up some leftover Crafts (at only baseline AF Main Hand Tool) that I neglected.

Thanks again.

I have fully melded artisan clothes & accessories, so I skipped most of my artisan main hands and went straight to supra.

All it took was NQ Shark Fin Soup & a +3 control meded to militia offhand to reach the requirements for the supra tokens.

The one artisan main hand I did get (CUL) I only used for literally half an hour before I manged to replace it with supra. Since then I never bothered to get the artisan main hand for my other crafts, and opted to skip to supra instead.

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

I have fully melded artisan clothes & accessories, so I skipped most of my artisan main hands and went straight to supra.

All it took was NQ Shark Fin Soup & a +3 control meded to militia offhand to reach the requirements for the supra tokens.

The one artisan main hand I did get (CUL) I only used for literally half an hour before I manged to replace it with supra. Since then I never bothered to get the artisan main hand for my other crafts, and opted to skip to supra instead.

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You're gonna regret that decision with every nq masterbook II token you get later.. Or you could just wait til HW and level 60 to get that.

Right now I stop getting more lucis because getting master 2 is gonna be a lot easier on lvl60 for HW. If your new primary weapon on expansion is gonna be ilvl90 , lucis will became pointless at this stage. If I was you I'll wait till expansion kicks in and see what the new primary level tool is gonna be.

Yah, thanks. I was debating that. I have 3 of my crafts to Lucis (w/ fully melded Artisan's Gear). I just wanted to catch up some of my other Crafts from the base AF Main Hand Tool since we have a few weeks before HW.

But I'm pretty sure HW 3.0 will have new Main Hand Tools again for all Crafters. I just don't know if they will *require* us to be at Lucis Level to then reach the new 3.0 Tools or not?

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by GenJoe

You're gonna regret that decision with every nq masterbook II token you get later.. Or you could just wait til HW and level 60 to get that.

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Not really. I recycled (past tense, since I have the Mastercraft II books for most of my crafts) those for FC3.

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Originally Posted by Kiara

Yah, thanks. I was debating that. I have 3 of my crafts to Lucis (w/ fully melded Artisan's Gear). I just wanted to catch up some of my other Crafts from the base AF Main Hand Tool since we have a few weeks before HW.

But I'm pretty sure HW 3.0 will have new Main Hand Tools again for all Crafters. I just don't know if they will *require* us to be at Lucis Level to then reach the new 3.0 Tools or not?

Thanks.

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Lucis will probably be made easier by then.

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Originally Posted by GenJoe

You're gonna regret that decision with every nq masterbook II token you get later.. Or you could just wait til HW and level 60 to get that.

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why, cant he try to HQ the supra mats either way? The chance might be lower without the artisan's tool but he has 8 attempts to get 3 HQ items before he would have to waste additional mats.

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Originally Posted by Alexiell

why, cant he try to HQ the supra mats either way? The chance might be lower without the artisan's tool but he has 8 attempts to get 3 HQ items before he would have to waste additional mats.

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Look at the post he's responding to. That person (Silent Abyss) decided to upgrade all tools to Supra before attempting ANY Masterbook II items, unlike the OP (Kiara Silvermoon) who is trying to decide whether or not to upgrade to Artisan.

Silent's posture is that any NQs that result can simply be recycled into Fieldcraft III Demimateria, so why not upgrade your tool to make them easier to HQ? This is true - but it's not an ideal solution. Every token requires two FC3s, and you only get one FC3 back when you recycle. The ability to recycle HAS made FC3s a lot cheaper than they used to be, but they're still pretty pricy! (And to forestall any debates on buying versus creating, by "pricy", I mean either in terms of time taken to desynthesize your own, or gil spent to buy them from the Marketboards.) Silent clearly has the resources to burn - the OP may not.

For a lot of young crafters, scraping together the money to pay for FC3s, or taking the time to desynth for them is taxing. However you look at it, NQ tokens created post-Supra are a waste of a FC3. Crating the tokens pre-Supra gives you a chance to avoid that waste, since you can spend them on the Supra.

Lucis are gonna be the new low level tools once hw 3.0 kicks in. At the end of the quest lvl60 you MIGHT get a new tool and a piece of gear which probably will be much higher than ilvl55 AF. (I'm guessing ilvl90? Maybe?) So with that and a new crafted artisan offhand you will be able to do master 1 and master 2 without the hustle of spending money and time on doing lucis when you might get a free update.

Now if the lucis gets a new step going to higher level (105) it would be totally worth getting more lucis. But so far have no info or whatsoever .

I believe actual classes are gonna jump from ilvl55 to 155. Could this happen to crafting tools? Like from 55 to 155? Might be getting confused.

Anyhow if my theory of getting a new primary tool on end quest is right, it will mean lucis can be Bin lol

imo if there's any crafting gear you want to leapfrog it's the Artisan Offhand.

6 Sealants for each. Need only 3 sealants for Artisan/Forager's Leftside gear, and that's shared between all classes, opposed to Artisan Offhand that requires 6 each and only good on one crafting class.

Even if you have the Gil to eat the costs of Artisan Offhands, that same amount of Gil could have been put towards twice as many Artisan leftsides and be sold for profits.

IDK....

Its easy for me to HQ the items for Supras, all BiS and fully melded save for the tools. And NQs are brainless to produce.

I don't expect to ever get another artisan's tool save for the weaver's which I will promptly desynth.