Ishguardian Heresy in 5 lines *Spoilers*

*Shiva sees a dragon*
"That's a sexy Dragon. I'mma gonna bang that dragon."
*Ishguard Church* "Shiva No!"
"Shiva yes."

*Heresy*

Here is a good fable for you. Minotaur

This made me smile ^^

Aside from having my mind boggled at the sheer physics of such a pairing, one has to wonder what Shiva saw in the dragon to begin with. Maybe she was impressed by its wingspan...

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Aside from having my mind boggled at the sheer physics of such a pairing, one has to wonder what Shiva saw in the dragon to begin with. Maybe she was impressed by its wingspan...

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Most lore gives Dragons a cheat code, they can utilize magic to maintain a humanoid form. Those leafbleed ochus in some of the levequests and our own glamour system have led me to believe that Glamours are not limited to Voidsent alone and tend to be fairly effective.

Plus, this is Shiva we are talking about. She's not exactly...normal.

Isn't it implied that not all the primals (such as King Moggle Mog) were real, and instead are just called into existence by aether + imagination? In that case Shiva might not have been an actual thing and might just be the mythology of a countersect to the Holy See.

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Originally Posted by Santherelle

*Shiva sees a dragon*
"That's a sexy Dragon. I'mma gonna bang that dragon."
*Ishguard Church* "Shiva No!"
"Shiva yes."

*Heresy*

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Well, if you listen to the song of Shiva's fight, you really have to wonder if she was all that sober when those event happened.

"Wake up in sweat, full of regret, try to forget"

Yeah, some of us have been here. But to wake up next to a dragon, must have been one hell of a party.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

Isn't it implied that not all the primals (such as King Moggle Mog) were real, and instead are just called into existence by aether + imagination? In that case Shiva might not have been an actual thing and might just be the mythology of a countersect to the Holy See.

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Aye, but all legends tend to have a grain of truth. Honestly, it would explain the staggering amount of powerful ice-aspected dragons we've seen. Very few actual strong fire ones so far. Stone Vigil's final boss dragon is even Ice Aspected, and that one dragon in Steps is ice as well isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Kuurei

Aye, but all legends tend to have a grain of truth. Honestly, it would explain the staggering amount of powerful ice-aspected dragons we've seen. Very few actual strong fire ones so far. Stone Vigil's final boss dragon is even Ice Aspected, and that one dragon in Steps is ice as well isn't it?

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I don't remember Vishap doing much more than walking and body slamming so I don't know. But there are a few dragons that have fire breath (all the ones that ambush you in SV for instance), and the biasts have lightning aspect. Bahamut is a dragon too but it's hard to tell what sort of aspect he had as it seemed to be just destructive beams in general rather than fire (though his signature move IS called "Mega Flare"). Twintania is fire aspected as well with her conflagrations and fire balls.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

I don't remember Vishap doing much more than walking and body slamming so I don't know. But there are a few dragons that have fire breath (all the ones that ambush you in SV for instance), and the biasts have lightning aspect. Bahamut is a dragon too but it's hard to tell what sort of aspect he had as it seemed to be just destructive beams in general rather than fire (though his signature move IS called "Mega Flare"). Twintania is fire aspected as well with her conflagrations and fire balls.

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Ah, right. TBH I haven't had the "pleasure" of fighting Twintania yet :P And yeah, Bahamut is known more for being a disaster of unnatural proportions rather than elemental, no matter what game it is.

Shiva still sexy <3

I bet she got with Naul. I hear he's quite naulty.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

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don't forget Svara (yellow dragon, lightning), the Coerethas S rank (can't remember) and the color dragons in Syrcus tower.

Big badies looking like FFxii's dragons (1st boss in Stone Vigil NM and HM, T13) are fire-based as well, and so are the Veganausaurs (or whatever they are called. Step of Faith and Stone Vigil HM last boss). The adamantoise-like dragons seem earth-based, though it's more a result of their weight rather than a real element.

Aiatar (Brayflox) is poison based too.

As for Bahamut, he's fire based usually, though he destroys everything so easily that there is nothing left to burn :p

Actually Bahamut is unaspected as his Tera Flare and Circle of Death do non elemental damage.

That was a sexy dragon

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

Isn't it implied that not all the primals (such as King Moggle Mog) were real, and instead are just called into existence by aether + imagination? In that case Shiva might not have been an actual thing and might just be the mythology of a countersect to the Holy See.

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I'm fairly sure Shiva did exist based on Dragonsong which appears to be entirely about her relationship with a dragon and how she was betrayed, thus starting the unending Dragonsong War. It mourns her death and Man's tendency to sacrifice peace for personal gain.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

I'm fairly sure Shiva did exist based on Dragonsong which appears to be entirely about her relationship with a dragon and how she was betrayed, thus starting the unending Dragonsong War. It mourns her death and Man's tendency to sacrifice peace for personal gain.

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except iirc Shiva lived during the war, not before.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

except iirc Shiva lived during the war, not before.

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The church call her the first heretic. So it should have happened at the beginning of the war.

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Originally Posted by Felis

The church call her the first heretic. So it should have happened at the beginning of the war.

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Maybe not. We know little (if anything) about the chronology of the dragonsong war. For all we know, some Ishgardians may have started to befriend dragons only a few centuries after the beginning of the conflict.

It's very possible that Shiva was not the "First Heretic" of her time, but became the "First Heretic" after being mired in time. It's very possible that the long war has ruined history and that whatever caused the two to go to war - the "Sins of the Fathers" - could very well have happened after Shiva being friends to dragons (It's also possible she never ****ed a dragon. They might just be saying that as an insult. "in the bed with the enemy", so to speak.)

I'm interested in seeing what the history is like. If shiva was friend to the dragons before or after the war started (Marking her the first heretic after-the-fact), etc etc. <_<

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Originally Posted by Sigiria

Well, if you listen to the song of Shiva's fight, you really have to wonder if she was all that sober when those event happened.

"Wake up in sweat, full of regret, try to forget"

Yeah, some of us have been here. But to wake up next to a dragon, must have been one hell of a party.

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I always thought the oblivion lyrics was based on ice heart's perspective.

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Originally Posted by Felis

The church call her the first heretic. So it should have happened at the beginning of the war.

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The war didn't begin because people started befriending dragons. People were branded heretics due to befriending the creatures Ishgard was at war with.

The war started before the first heretics. How long before, is unclear. It's possible that the first dragon sympethizers could have appeared centuries after the conflict began. It doesn't help that we don't really know WHY the conflict began. All we know is that Ishgard did SOMETHING unforgivable in the eyes of the dragons... something they're apparently appearing to be gearing up to do again.

It's possible that the people of Ishgard (maybe even the folks in charge) honestly don't know, or have forgotten, what sin they committed, but Midgardsormr knows what it was, and it seems likely that Iceheart knows as well. Neither of them seem to think it's worth telling the Warrior of Light, though, instead dropping lines like, "You will see that we are in the right." Well, maybe, but being a little more forthcoming MIGHT prevent us from, you know, kicking lots of dragon ass before we find out what a terrible mistake we've made in siding with Ishgard...

The Ascians seem to suffer from this problem, as well, given how convinced Elidibus was that we'd understand the truth someday. Well, we still don't understand, and Nabrielas is dead (which, granted, might have been a desirable outcome to Elidibus).

This literary contrivance has been the downfall of many a sympethetic anti-villian!