Detailed Heavensward Healer/ Tank/ DPs info

This is a really great and detailed read:

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/125...11#post6433711

I'm even more hyped and I want to thank the DEVs for all their hard work that they have done and are doing.

I love how every class has several layers/stances and important support functions. I think this more than fulfills the "support" role.

Keep up the great work! and thanks to everyone translating and gathering info to the community. YOU GUYS ROCK!!;)

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there will also be an action allows a single weapon skill to hit three times, so by pairing this with abilities which increase damage for an effect duration it should become possible to put out some impressive DPS.

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Guess migrating Enmity to the tank makes sense if this is for real.

Just want to post to bookmark this for later.

Thanks again!

Thanks for linking this AzraelX. BG has been a good source of info for years, so i am inclined to believe the veracity of the translations.

Was stoked for NIN and BRD before, now with some more detailed info i am doubly so. Can't wait to see the detailed SMN summary.

according to the article it appears that positionals will be only extending huton effects. so if u want to play as you do and refresh huton every 60 seconds you do that with having to stay in spot.

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Originally Posted by AzraelX

according to the article it appears that positionals will be only extending huton effects. so if u want to play as you do and refresh huton every 60 seconds you do that with having to stay in spot.

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I cant seem to find the part in the article where they say this (the translated version).
Could you quote it? I really hope this is true, because that sounds like fun :v

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Originally Posted by Arkenne

I cant seem to find the part in the article where they say this (the translated version).
Could you quote it? I really hope this is true, because that sounds like fun :v

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"The weapon skill that serves as the third stage of the new combo will also have a combo additional effect to prolong the effect duration of Huton. Previously, ninjutsu would often be used to recast Huton, so because this makes room for other ninjutsu, there could be a major change with the ability to use more than one ninjutsu."

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Originally Posted by AzraelX

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But thats only talking of the new weaponskill which is still unclear if it is really after Gust Slash or Shadow Fang or even Mutilate.
It really is talking of this new weaponskill having an effect to prolong Huton's duration. But it mentions nothing about it requiring a positional or if other weaponskills positionals will indeed only take effect on Huton's lastiness.

mch: ability with an additional Stun effect is called Suppressive Fire. the pain of waiting is real....

I must know what this Keeper's Paeon is, I cannot be patient! I pray to the divines that it'll be a support mechanic. I can totally be okay having to play pseudo caster if I atleast get something new down the support chain!

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

I must know what this Keeper's Paeon is, I cannot be patient! I pray to the divines that it'll be a support mechanic. I can totally be okay having to play pseudo caster if I atleast get something new down the support chain!

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I'm wondering/hoping it isn't mutually exclusive from WM and both can be kept up at the same time. From the wording of the translation it seems likely, but won't know for sure 'til we can try it.

But Tanks or Healers still cant enter as pure DPS in runs right? ._. (All tank/healer abilitys skill are disabled)

I Want to swing my warrior axe or my paladin sword as pure DPS in runs! D: (Because I hate(and dont do) playing as tank in runs >-> to heavy...)

Here is also another link/ Google Doc.
If anyone is interested..
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...h.rnv8zz269y6r

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

But Tanks or Healers still cant enter as pure DPS in runs right? ._. (All tank/healer abilitys skill are disabled)

I Want to swing my warrior axe or my paladin sword as pure DPS in runs! D: (Because I hate(and dont do) playing as tank in runs >-> to heavy...)

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I wish the game were set up to allow this. It was nice in The Old Republic to have that option to change roles. I'd play a DPS WAR or DRK for sure.

Troll ninjas giving all their hate to the healer incoming...

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

I must know what this Keeper's Paeon is, I cannot be patient! I pray to the divines that it'll be a support mechanic. I can totally be okay having to play pseudo caster if I atleast get something new down the support chain!

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Originally Posted by Spiritreaver1217

I'm wondering/hoping it isn't mutually exclusive from WM and both can be kept up at the same time. From the wording of the translation it seems likely, but won't know for sure 'til we can try it.

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would love that :

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...ArmysPaeon.PNG

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Nice info but are there numbers on how much the dps stances for the tanks "Darkside" and "Deliverance" are? 10%? 20%? etc. DRK sounds more like a cross breed of pld and war (high mp management + aoe enmity and dd). One of the things I hated about PLD was the flash spamming till out of mp then riot combo for mp, rinse repeat. Hopefully DRK won't play out like this and offer a bit more variety in the aoe threat departement.

I'm also starting to feel bad for healers because now they are expected to dps when not healing. inc threads of people complaining that healers shouldn't dps and that I play the way I want to.

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Originally Posted by SummerSkye

Troll ninjas giving all their hate to the healer incoming...

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Eh, that can easily be reduced by making the range of ability extremely short aka in melee range. Heck if it does become a problem SE could just make it where the ability can only be used on a tank role.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

...I'm also starting to feel bad for healers because now they are expected to dps when not healing. inc threads of people complaining that healers shouldn't dps and that I play the way I want to.

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I may be wrong, but i took away that it was high-end raiding healers that would be factored into the total raid-dps needed to clear the upcoming high tier raids. Which really is a non-issue as that crowd is all about super min/maxing and would be having healers DPS routinely anyways.

As for players emulating the practices of end game raiders elsewhere in-game, that's nothing new. People just need to say nix it in situations where it just isn't feasible. IE-Lower level content where it isn't necessary, when a healer isn't comfortable with DPS'ing AND healing, etc.

Based on these notes, now I'm actually interested in Machinist O.o. Sounds like a very different DPS playstyle with real tactical implications rather than "MASH MASH MASH MASH".... also a chance to yell "SUPPRESSING FIIIIIIIIIIRE!!!!!"

Im also very surprised at the numbers attached to Monk. 500 Potency? Thats huuuuge. True Strike is 190.

If tanks and healers were able to deal the same damage as dps it would essentially make dps obsolete since a tank could have all the defense in the world and healers can...heal, why take a squishy dps?

Since all the old classes/jobs have their roots somehow in 1.0 (I guess this also applies to some extend to Rog/NIN because class + job crystal system) I think it is possible that the upcoming ones, which are totally new developed will play quite different and feel more fleshed out in the mechanics department. Maybe the updates in the addon will put the old ones more in line with the new ones, but what I´ve read so far, especially the stuff about the Astrologian leads me to believe they will be a bit more complex then what we already have.

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Originally Posted by Airget

Eh, that can easily be reduced by making the range of ability extremely short aka in melee range. Heck if it does become a problem SE could just make it where the ability can only be used on a tank role.

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This is where the crafty ninja reigns supreme, waiting for the off-tank to be in an advantageous position to make them the main tank and table flip the group.

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Originally Posted by VargasVermillion

If tanks and healers were able to deal the same damage as dps it would essentially make dps obsolete since a tank could have all the defense in the world and healers can...heal, why take a squishy dps?

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Contributing some extra damage is one thing. With as much as the devs have said they are sticking with the whole trinity of class roles, if healers or tanks actually were to start eclipsing full DPS jobs, you can believe adjustments would be incoming.

Nothing wrong with a little lateral progression after all, especially in endgame settings. A bit of extra 'oomph' here and there will make clears smoother.

This makes WHM and SCH pretty appealing.