Beastman Strongholds

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...ff36a47e80bc9b

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...389#post333389

New details on the beastman strongholds herein!

Are these going to be instanced? Pro and Cons for both!?

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Originally Posted by Junpei

Are these going to be instanced?

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Oh God, let the arguments begin.

Nice and Constructive Sonic, good job.

Anyway.

I believe that this is the sort of content that if managed well could be open world. With the new claiming system a couple of groups could easily band up to get through it! But at the same time, if they instanced it they could make it a much larger area and make it more of an adventure rather than squeezing it into the existing world.

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Originally Posted by Junpei

Nice and Constructive Sonic, good job.

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Well what do you think? Instanced or not?

i don't know ?
Let's wait to Bahyonne to pop and let's see :X

i actually hope this one is (and dont it is) instanced.

i really wish the pictures clickable to make larger, i really want to see that NM mask.

It's an open world instanced.

Like, leve!

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Originally Posted by Junpei

Anyway.

I believe that this is the sort of content that if managed well could be open world. With the new claiming system a couple of groups could easily band up to get through it! But at the same time, if they instanced it they could make it a much larger area and make it more of an adventure rather than squeezing it into the existing world.

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What the hell, you ninja edited your post. This part wasn't in the original post.

to me it looks open world.

I think it's open world, like the elite areas in AION
Kaidan HQ and Kaidan Mine as example

There are enough unused areas in Eorzea which SE could reserve for big beastmen strongholds

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Originally Posted by MariyaShidou

It's an open world instanced.

Like, leve!

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wouldnt that require a spawn activator per player/party leader?
this post says its one location, occording to your theory that would mean its either like a behest so its limited by one group at a time or there will be several copies of the same NMs for each party activating it.

seems like open world like those other beastmen camps ive come across, only these are like their settlement counterpats.

I'd love for these to be the equivalent of Davoi in FFXI. Entire city zones for NPC's. Imagine a city the size of ul'dah populated entirely by enemy beastmen!

Fighting your way through respawnable mini-bosses to open gates. and then the final room boss could be an instance. so each group that shows up has to pop the door mobs, victory and move through. until you reach the final door and fight a mega boss :D

This method allows all the areas in between to be open areas that you can grind in!

I'm thinking this would make interesting open world content, but I guess we have to wait for someone to clarify... ONCE AGAIN. When will they learn that we need important details like this?

This could be very enjoyable content if SE takes the correct approach, and by correct approach, I mean make it as rich and expansive as the strongholds of FFXI. Include content; questing, variety of new beastmen, roaming and stationary "guards" so you can't sneak by, interactive objects, unique scenery, and unique loot.

These won't be instanced, surely.

But let's just assume now that the NM drops a premade item 10 times better than anything crafted to save ourselves the disappointment later.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

But let's just assume now that the NM drops a premade item 10 times better than anything crafted to save ourselves the disappointment later.

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As it should be

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

As it should be

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Why do you play this game...?

The first wave of open world NMs were good because they actually included crafters in end-game content.

Lately, this game is becoming so... korean. (Simplistic MMO with no emphasis on community).

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Originally Posted by Fixy

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Content is pretty necessary. No offence.

I love how people say "no offence" right before or right after purposely offending someone. lol

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Originally Posted by Archadius

I love how people say "no offence" right before or right after purposely offending someone. lol

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I was trying to contradict them without offending them. I said it in earnest.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

Why do you play this game...?

The first wave of open world NMs were good because they actually included crafters in end-game content.

Lately, this game is becoming so... korean. (Simplistic MMO with no emphasis on community).

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bahahahah!

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Originally Posted by Junpei

I'd love for these to be the equivalent of Davoi in FFXI. Entire city zones for NPC's. Imagine a city the size of ul'dah populated entirely by enemy beastmen!

Fighting your way through respawnable mini-bosses to open gates. and then the final room boss could be an instance. so each group that shows up has to pop the door mobs, victory and move through. until you reach the final door and fight a mega boss :D

This method allows all the areas in between to be open areas that you can grind in!

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Yeah this, an open world city, with places for grind partys, quests, nms, and in the depts you can enter an dungeon wich is instanced. Would love to see that:)

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

bahahahah!

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That is such a good point. I never thought of it that way before.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

Lately, this game is becoming so... korean. (Simplistic MMO with no emphasis on community).

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But you love Korean MMOs. (TERA and Blade and Soul)

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

That is such a good point. I never thought of it that way before.

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Neither did. I amaze myself sometimes

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

But you love Korean MMOs. (TERA and Blade and Soul)

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I don't love them.

They have some good features though, despite many bad ones (antisocial games with no emphasis on community. Although TERA has a "political system").

FFXIV shouldnt undermine its strengths by emulating the bad features of other games which are only good in spite of them, not because of them.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

These won't be instanced, surely.

But let's just assume now that the NM drops a premade item 10 times better than anything crafted to save ourselves the disappointment later.

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When have the NM drops been 10 times better than similar crafted items? NQ crafted items are a little worse but HQ crafted items in a lot of cases are arguably better. Even in the cases where +1 HQ isn't better than the NQ NM items, the difference is almost negligible.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Neither did. I amaze myself sometimes

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I know, you're like so totally witty omg.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

When have the NM drops been 10 times better than similar crafted items? NQ crafted items are a little worse but HQ crafted items in a lot of cases are arguably better. Even in the cases where +1 HQ isn't better than the NQ NM items, the difference is almost negligible.

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Or they could just do what they did with Silver tricorne/Dodore doublet etc... NMs drop mats then everybody has a role to play in the ECONOMY and COMMUNITY which is foundational to a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

I know, you're like so totally witty omg.

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liek, oh em gee

Gotta love MMO racism.

useless shit? not making the game better?!?!!? Beastman Stronghold should of been in the game from DAY 1!!!!

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Originally Posted by Arcell

When have the NM drops been 10 times better than similar crafted items?

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Dodore Doublet? It's not 100% NM drop, but you need a drop from Dodore to make it.

hmmm I wonder if...we'll get access to a Sylph Stronghold as well

I just really hope each stronghold will look unique to each beastman clan. I don't think it'll make sense for their architecture to be similar...

I probably shouldn't hold my breath though.

The sylphs are friendly. And they use illusion magic to protect their villages

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But let's just assume now that the NM drops a premade item 10 times better than anything crafted to save ourselves the disappointment later.

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are you serious?, crafted items with rare drops should be better, do you think that crafters level up only to repair your stuff?, come on, give them work and gil! >.>

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Originally Posted by Xquiel

are you serious?, crafted items with rare drops should be better, do you think that crafters level up only to repair your stuff?, come on, give them work and gil! >.>

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Silly Xquiel, that's what materia will be for :D

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Originally Posted by Felis

The sylphs are friendly. And they use illusion magic to protect their villages

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Sylph Susurus isn't so friendly

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Silly Xquiel, that's what materia will be for :D

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yea, also ^.^
PD: i edited my quote =P

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Originally Posted by Xquiel

are you serious?, crafted items with rare drops should be better, do you think that crafters level up only to repair your stuff?, come on, give them work and gil! >.>

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What, crafters don't have enough tens of millions already? lol

Plus Materia will be huge for crafters anyways :P