Joint Class Abilities

I was remembering days of old and the old 1.0 intro where the Malboro Fight took place when the ARC and the CNJ joined up and created a flaming arrow to fire off into his gaping jaws.

for those that may not have seen it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDSnzcaLaZg

it got me thinking why dont we have any teamwork combos, i dont mean like FFXI's skill chains, but like bonus combos where all DPS can combine an ability with anothers.

like a BLM and DRG could mix thunder and jump off the top of my head and make lightening rod. where the DRGS lance shoots down onto the boss and actes like a conductor.

BLM and WHM with Fire and Aero to make fire tornado.

it would bring in the teamwork to a more personal level IMO

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like a BLM and DRG could mix thunder and jump off the top of my head and make lightening rod.

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are you asking for an action to kill a dragoon mid-jump?

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Originally Posted by Defteros

are you asking for an action to kill a dragoon mid-jump?

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HAHA no, but it would be a a small plus on the side.

I've always liked XI's skillchains and magic bursts. It gave teams more interplay between jobs rather than everyone doing their own individual thing. While I honestly think it would be amazing if we could have something similar in XIV, I just can't imagine how it would work with the current system. With each class skill relying on a specific rotation, it would be counterpoint to change it up for a team combination.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

I've always liked XI's skillchains and magic bursts. It gave teams more interplay between jobs rather than everyone doing their own individual thing. While I honestly think it would be amazing if we could have something similar in XIV, I just can't imagine how it would work with the current system. With each class skill relying on a specific rotation, it would be counterpoint to change it up for a team combination.

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Maybe a frenzy stacking system where the names on the char glow when we've reached our stacks.
this would allow players to see who is frenzied and join in on the skill

for example a Macro would come from the Brd saying "using Blood letter"
with this would give the next job a small window to use their skill also,
for example as the blood letter animation starts, a blm can hit a chain button then the required spell, which would cast a flame onto the arrow and hit the Mob for +DMG

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Originally Posted by Bracken

I was remembering days of old and the old 1.0 intro where the Malboro Fight took place when the BRD and the BLM joined up and created a flaming arrow to fire off into his gaping jaws.

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Archer and Conjurer. There were no jobs planned at that time.

Hmm, looking at the old CNJ spell list there was no spell that gave an allies weapon fire element. Ever the skill that was dropped after the opening was already finished or was planned to come later.

old CNJ spell list:
http://www.final-fantasy-14.org/abil...&page=2&ipp=50

Hmm, or it showed how the CNJ use a skill from another class. Or it was Battle Regiment.

Battle Regiment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L23sldpDSmA

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Originally Posted by Felis

Archer and Conjurer. There were no jobs planned at that time.

Hmm, looking at the old CNJ spell list there was no spell that gave an allies weapon fire element. Ever the skill that was dropped after the opening was already finished or was planned to come later.

old CNJ spell list:
http://www.final-fantasy-14.org/abil...&page=2&ipp=50

Hmm, or it showed how the CNJ use a skill from another class.

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It was the Intro I was talking about TBH, I used the BRD and BLM reference just to bring it up to speed, it was a CNJ she runs in and throws a shield up, then progresses to use blizzard, the GLA also heals the ARC's wounds with a cure spell, but i wasn't going on about cross class skills i was trying to make a point of the Joint class ability to put a flame onto the Arrow and fire it off at the beast.

but with that being said lol I've edited it for your approval :P

There is precedence in the series for it, but I agree with Lemuria; I think it would be a struggle to to fit it into the game now since the combat system wasn't designed around it. There would also need to be dozens and dozens of differing skill combos to accommodate any party make up or else risk certain parties missing out on this feature and balancing them all would be tricky.

That said, If Square wants to do it, I'm all for it :P I enjoyed Skill chains in FFXI and Crystal Chronicles.

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Originally Posted by Bracken

I was remembering days of old and the old 1.0 intro where the Malboro Fight took place when the ARC and the CNJ joined up and created a flaming arrow to fire off into his gaping jaws.

for those that may not have seen it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDSnzcaLaZg

it got me thinking why dont we have any teamwork combos, i dont mean like FFXI's skill chains, but like bonus combos where all DPS can combine an ability with anothers.

like a BLM and DRG could mix thunder and jump off the top of my head and make lightening rod. where the DRGS lance shoots down onto the boss and actes like a conductor.

BLM and WHM with Fire and Aero to make fire tornado.

it would bring in the teamwork to a more personal level IMO

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The problem with that is that you then need x + y class in your raid. The current limit break is a contribution for everyone so it's sort of a party thing but one person triggers it. We have new job LB animations so that might help a little. Look at the HW benchmark for some of them.

I started FF14 at 2.x beta but I would have loved to have a look at 1.x. The problem from what we've been told is that 1.x was all flashy but most things, like this LB thing, just weren't practical in a real setting.

What I could see maybe is something like the trinity attack in Type-0. Maybe under certain conditions more than one party member could use LB at the same time. Like if there is more than one gauge filled up. If you can press the LB button quickly enough instead of one level 2 LB, two level 1 LBs are cast, but buff each other somehow, to make them more poewrful than a standard level 2 LB. Or maybe combine the effects and make the level 1 caster LB. hit each mob in the aoe circle with the force of a level 1 melee LB

I'm hoping they will one day bring back a modified battle regimen system. Skillchains may not work due to the pace of combat but I think if you could turn on battle regimen much like an off GCD skill right before the move you want to contribute to a battle regimen, it would work as you could just do it when your skill comes up in your rotation.

How about joint race abilities? I want to throw lalafells.

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Originally Posted by Gunspec

How about joint race abilities? I want to throw lalafells.

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this gave me the idea of Party Limit Breaks, since it's only available inside a party.

Let players choose to 'participate' on the role using the LB, give it an awesome animation plus bonus effects depending on the number of participants? i just thought of this now so i can't elaborate on it's balancing, pros and cons.

While I have no idea how they would make it work properly, I'd love something like this being put into the game. Combining skills for bonus damage and effect would be awesome. I can see combining Shadow Flare with Holy to create a skill like "Holy Shadow" that does slightly higher AoE damage to all targets within range and inflicts them all with Shadow Flare's skill/spell speed debuff for the remainder of it's original duration. It could also be set up so that cross-classing certain skills would allow for players to solo trigger the combos. I can honestly see it working a lot like Mass Effect's biotic and tech combo system, where enemies get primed by certain effects and detonated by the use of a proper skill after. In ME3's multiplayer, proper use of these combos could make a group of strong solo players into a force of mass destruction, (no pun intended), with the proper team set up....

The easiest would be to give certain skills a bonus damange and or effect against enemies affected by certain dots or debuffs. For instance stabbing someone affected by virus with a poisoned dagger.