Remove Guildhests from Main Story

So obviously I'm a L50 player at end-game content, but as a guild leader there is one part of the story that I have heard endless complaints about:

The guy in Mor Dhona who forces you to play guildhests.

I honestly think this should be removed. It does nothing for the story, doesn't progress the player in any way, and is unnecessarily gated content. I've had players who don't even want to continue through the main story with it in.

I know any player who has beaten it has said "suck it up", and trust me I played them too, but even then I had to play as a tank to deal with the excruciatingly long queues and waste of time for absolutely nothing. Can we please remove this quest from the story? Heavensward is going to make this queue even more irritating for DPS than ever before.

If they just increase the rewards for the daily hest, it shouldn't be too much of an issue to get these done. And since you're talking about guilds, it really doesn't take a lot of time or effort to help each other out with hests.

I wish they'd not put the dungeons/guildhests as gated material levels above when they open for you much earlier. If you don't need to do the such-n-such quest to open a dungeon or guildhest when they first come available, what's the point in making them gated material many levels later? Or give people credit for doing the dungeons/hests if they've already done them. I mean, there's that one hooked into the main scenario quest line when you're level 50 that has you queue up for a level 30 hest. What's the point of this? It's just busy work.

Well I always saw guildhests as free and nice extra exp for the 1st time completion with each class/job.

Do people really hate it so much? o.O

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Originally Posted by aerolol

Do people really hate it so much? o.O

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They are nice exp when you complete them the first time on each class/job. They're also gated material that you're forced to do many, many levels above the level they first become available. I don't hate them. I run them once on the characters I'm playing. My issue is being forced to do a level 15/30 when you're level 50. You do a quest to open them at level 10 and then you're forced to do the same exact hest at level 50. You don't think that's excessive? It's not hard. It's just annoying.

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Originally Posted by Alisi

It's not hard. It's just annoying.

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That goes for a lot of stuff in this game, though. Having to do a couple guildhests is really not that bad.

I mean, which parts of the story quests are actually "hard" to begin with?

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Having to do a couple guildhests is really not that bad.

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That's not the issue. It's simply pointless. That's time I could spend leveling up my Chocobo-birdman-warrior (RAWR!) I could go do dungeons or lead mah brave chocobo into leve-battles for the treasures or participate in fate groups or queue for something I actually want to do or party up with friends or just craft stuff without having to immediately stop in the middle of something because the queue pops. It's not hard. It's repetitive. It's annoying. I've already done the quest to open them. I did it at level 10. I shouldn't be FORCED into doing again. For those without other FC people online (for those of us who play at weird hours) or who aren't tanks/healers, they're looking at potentially waiting an hour in the queue for something they did 40 levels ago.

What it boils down to is that it's simply busy work, put into the main scenario to stretch it out. It's laziness on SEs part.

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Originally Posted by Alisi

It's simply pointless.

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At the time if its release (2.1) it wasn't pointless. Problem is now it is pointless, like many of the main story quests. If you were able to do them when each patch was released it wouldn't have been so bad. Those who are new or playing catch-up, its a little mind numbing. I had to take a break once I reached Keeper of the Lake (still haven't done it) just to keep my sanity. I don't think there was too much foresight into what new or catch up players were going to have to go through.

It wasn't busy work when they added it. Nobody did guildhests, so they wanted to get people into them. Then they forgot about them after 2.1

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

At the time if its release (2.1) it wasn't pointless. Problem is now it is pointless, like many of the main story quests. If you were able to do them when each patch was released it wouldn't have been so bad. Those who are new or playing catch-up, its a little mind numbing.

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Exactly! The idea was great when it was released, but it's not helping any longer. The greatest challenge to this are people like me who didn't care about a guildhest and didn't do any of them until L50. But the only way to play the one that the NPC wanted was by defeating every - single - one, one after another. The queues were just ridiculous and there was never a time anywhere throughout the entire story mode that we ever had to do them. With how leveling works and the dungeon progression, they were never necessary for me because the game did a good enough job without them.

I learnt a lot spanning those. Was my first mmo, I felt I learnt something new from each one.

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

At the time if its release (2.1) it wasn't pointless. Problem is now it is pointless, like many of the main story quests. If you were able to do them when each patch was released it wouldn't have been so bad. Those who are new or playing catch-up, its a little mind numbing. I had to take a break once I reached Keeper of the Lake (still haven't done it) just to keep my sanity. I don't think there was too much foresight into what new or catch up players were going to have to go through.

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As a new player, the main quest *is* rather daunting, especially with how much of it will no longer be relevant to the vast majority of players when the expansion comes out, and how there's so much instanced dungeon content required.

I expect the queue times to go through the roof for those since no one needs them anymore.

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Originally Posted by Carvaka

I learnt a lot spanning those. Was my first mmo, I felt I learnt something new from each one.

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I feel kinda the same.


They were supposed to be done when you were level 10, 15, 20, 25, ... and so on.
To teach you some mechanics handling while in a party.
And giving extra exp (quite big one) for 1st time clears of each hest.


But it seems many people now just skip them altogether and when they are level 50 they realize they must do the lv40-45 one (or whatever it is) to unlock something else.
At this point the exp is worthless since you are lv50 and exp-capped, and the DPS queues can take quite long, making people frustrated.


While I do understand that for new players there is a huge amount of content to do and guildhests may not be what most people want to do (although i do like them), I think it's still the player's fault of having skipped this content entirely while it was relevant to their learning and leveling.
Due to this, in the end they got into a situation which required them to do 10 guildhests, from level 10 to 45, to keep going on whatever quest needs this unlocked, which they hate.

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Originally Posted by aerolol

I think it's still the player's fault of having skipped this content entirely while it was relevant to their learning and leveling.
Due to this, in the end they got into a situation which required them to do 10 guildhests, from level 10 to 45, to keep going on whatever quest needs this unlocked, which they hate.

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There is nothing there that tells you to do them, or that they'll become mandatory later.

I got the quest, did it, and it unlocked them, but not once was I told "queue for this and do it or your progression will be hardlocked".

Every other instance case, the main quest story(which is pretty much the only quest line I've done the entire way up) is hard locked until you do the instance that that part is in.

For all intents and purposes, it's optional content. Optional content that has horrid queue times and is compounding the problem I have with the MQ in general.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Every other instance case, the main quest story(which is pretty much the only quest line I've done the entire way up) is hard locked until you do the instance that that part is in.

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They actually make you double back on some previous/lower level 'optional' dungeons when you're level 50 too so the hests aren't the only things.

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

SNIP!

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I figured that. That's why I think you should get credit for doing them if you've already done them. That way it introduces them if you haven't done them and gives you credit for doing them if you already have.

Having gone through the hests now, I can safely say there's no learning anything in there when people just muscle through it.

Besides, I thought guildhests were important for getting XP? What good is defeating every one of the guildhests and not receiving any XP?

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Originally Posted by Alisi

I mean, there's that one hooked into the main scenario quest line when you're level 50 that has you queue up for a level 30 hest. What's the point of this? It's just busy work.

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Guildhests as other parts of the game, required a team to develop and implant, implanting them into main scenario will force the players to experience the instance (Think of it as a master piece, you don't draw it to throw it away, instead you want to show it to all). Similarly, no one noticed that some FATEs pop rare or Mobs names until Relic books. Why do a Lv.50 player do a Lv.5 FATE for a drop? same idea and there was a storm of frustration how SE forces players to do FATEs because FATEs are a failed system.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

I honestly think this should be removed. It does nothing for the story, doesn't progress the player in any way, and is unnecessarily gated content.

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Originally Posted by Alisi

That's not the issue. It's simply pointless. // It's repetitive. It's annoying.

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As I mentioned above, the same thing was been discussing to remove FATEs because they are pointless.
Everything in game is repetitive, I don't see anyone complaining running the same dungeon (Grind) 4 levels till he/she unlock next one. Or Grind the same dungeon to cap poetics, or do the same Coil / Extreme Primal for a certain drop. or do the same ol' CT runs every single week.

It's pointless? the whole game is pointless world of grind.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

Exactly! The idea was great when it was released, but it's not helping any longer.

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It still teaches the basic fights and implies some strategies and mechanics, Everyone was doing them because when the game released there was nothing called Low Level roulette and the Exp wasn't buffed.

You're all going to hate it if you ever work through the full Relic Weapon questchain. And as to having to unlock them in order after not having done one at all at 50... Well, you've got a job stone right? That means you've got at least one other class at 15. Why not take a tiny break from your main quest and level up your other class to level 25 so that class can do the rest of the guildhests, leaving your level 50 only having to queue for that one level 30 one?

Sure, the Duty Roulette for Guildhests has helped the queue times more than having a mainstory bit do a guildhest ever did, but there's no reason to remove it from the mainquest. Just buckle down and deal with the queue time, or better yet, just ask your Free Company. Especially if it's mainquest related, I'm sure at least one person that has a tank or a healer can hop into the queue with you for the 3 minutes it takes to do a guildhest.