Linkshells vs. FCs

Why are linkshells only 128 players while FCs are 512? I feel like 512 for an FC is way too big perhaps 256 is a better number. Anywho, I think linkshells should have an increase in the number of players. I think it would promote overall more community which the game needs and it makes more sense to have larger linkshells.

I support this... It would be so much nicer for race social linkshells and hunt linkshells.

Nothing wrong with the FC cap. I see no reason to lower it really. My FC has about 400 members (We hit cap a few times, but removed inactive players) And it's quite active. (Roughly 2,000 members are assigned to our website) Yeah we have maybe only 40 "regulars" but for example, one of my friends doesn't talk much in the FC, but he says he just loves reading our chitter chatter while he goes about his business.

I can understand your reasoning though, but I don't really approve of them lowering the limit. Besides, I've seen plenty of FC's with just 4 or so members, and that's perfectly ok too :) I don't see how having the extra slots is impeding on their community value at all, so why take it away from FC's that do use it?


Linkshells we use mostly for overflow, hunt shells, raids and spoiler lore discussions. An increase in linkshell size would be nice though.

EDIT: Also...just think about housing for those smaller FC's....there isn't even any plots available as it is!

Only change i'd really like for linkshells, is to be able to see when members last logged in, and maybe spot to put a short message at the top of linkshell page, for organizing events/raids/etc.

Although I wouldn't say no to larger ls member cap.

I can agree to not reducing the FC limit, but, definitely need an increase in size of LS and when members were last logged in.

No, the FC size must be reduced to about 200. After that point, you are just adding strangers. For LSs, it doesn't matter that much as they are for the exchange of information.

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Originally Posted by Toranja

No, the FC size must be reduced to about 200. After that point, you are just adding strangers. For LSs, it doesn't matter that much as they are for the exchange of information.

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Not even close. People under certain flags wish to be together, even if they don't always talk to the other 500 people, the people they talk to may speak to those they don't. 512 is actually too low for some FCs which have certain types of people join.

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Originally Posted by Toranja

No, the FC size must be reduced to about 200. After that point, you are just adding strangers. For LSs, it doesn't matter that much as they are for the exchange of information.

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One word for you: Alts.
Also so what if you're adding strangers?

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Originally Posted by Toranja

No, the FC size must be reduced to about 200. After that point, you are just adding strangers. For LSs, it doesn't matter that much as they are for the exchange of information.

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They could be used for much more if they had the same size as an FC, you could band different FCs together without the need to drop your "label". 128 is extremely limiting as compared to 512.

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Originally Posted by Raeletta

Not even close. People under certain flags wish to be together, even if they don't always talk to the other 500 people, the people they talk to may speak to those they don't. 512 is actually too low for some FCs which have certain types of people join.

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As such, the group is not cohesive and fails to work properly.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

One word for you: Alts.
Also so what if you're adding strangers?

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What does it matter to you if they are just strangers? Nothing. Therefore, you have nothing to oppose.

I was in a guild in EQ with over 2k people.

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Originally Posted by Toranja

What does it matter to you if they are just strangers? Nothing. Therefore, you have nothing to oppose.

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I do have something to oppose, because just because they're strangers to me, doesn't mean they're strangers to other members.
This is a multiplayer game. It's not just about you. Everyone's contributions matter, and connections go much further than just those around you.
And again, even if it WAS only 200, if each of those 200 people had a bank mule or two, you'd STILL prefer to have the cap at 500.
The FC cap is perfectly fine. Reducing it is the height of stupidity.

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Originally Posted by Toranja

No, the FC size must be reduced to about 200. After that point, you are just adding strangers. For LSs, it doesn't matter that much as they are for the exchange of information.

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This is ridiculous reasoning. So you think every single person in an fc needs to be friends with every single other person? If yes, why? FCs function differently for everyone. I assume you're joking or trolling, though.

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Originally Posted by Toranja

As such, the group is not cohesive and fails to work properly.

What does it matter to you if they are just strangers? Nothing. Therefore, you have nothing to oppose.

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Why do you care? These are just strangers asking for something that has no impact on how you handle your own FC/LS. Therefore, you have nothing to oppose.

For the slow witted:

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Originally Posted by Toranja

As such, the group is not cohesive and fails to work properly.

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Originally Posted by Toranja

For the slow witted:

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Wrong. Just, wrong.

You seem to think an FC has to have everyone aiming for the exact same goal, it's not even close to correct.

Lets take a somewhat common example: LGBT friendly FCs. A lot of people join these so they can be relatively sure they won't be exposed to junk they do not wish to read, that each of the people within them is going to respect their privacy or situation. They do not need to know every single person, they do need to know every single person is going to follow a certain set of rules.

If you want a few hundred people "with the same goal" this is what linkshells are for, and why you can have 8 of the damn things. And even these could do with a larger membership count, specifically for linkshells that alert for Odin / Behemoth spawns, hunts and so on.

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Originally Posted by Raeletta

people "with the same goal"

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Where do you read that in:

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limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationships

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I advanced a number with a modicum of scientific basis, you advance arbitrariness.

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Originally Posted by Toranja

Where do you read that in:


I advanced a number with a modicum of scientific basis, you advance arbitrariness.

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FCs are free COMPANIES. Meant to evoke the military definition, but also sharing a definition with the same that applies to, y'know, actual companies that you can work for.
Companies tend to have more than 200 members each. Does everyone who works for Jack in the Box know each other?
Guilds follow the same logic. They're LARGE groups of people you can draw resources from because you share a common motivation, goal, or profession. Do you honestly believe everyone in the Screen Actor's Guild knows every other member?
Different FCs have different goals just as different RL companies and guilds have different goals.

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Originally Posted by Toranja

Where do you read that in:


I advanced a number with a modicum of scientific basis, you advance arbitrariness.

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And if the leader wants to limit the number of people joining the FC, they can stop inviting when theyt hit that number, and those who want larger FCs can go upto the hard limit. All you wanting is to take away the freedom of having a large FC if desired. Doesn't matter to you if 500 players in a FC are all strangers if you arent in that FC.

Wanting to take that option away just because you don't like it is just pure selfishness. I don't like large FCs/guilds either, but good for them who does.

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Originally Posted by Toranja

No, the FC size must be reduced to about 200. After that point, you are just adding strangers. For LSs, it doesn't matter that much as they are for the exchange of information.

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I don't see a problem with adding strangers. You meet people by having them go from stranger to acquaintance/friend. So everyone's a stranger at some point. (join my fc we have cake)

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Originally Posted by Toranja

No, the FC size must be reduced to about 200. After that point, snip

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They're only strangers until you start talking to them.

Also, Half your FC might never talk to *you* specifically, but it allows for multiple raid teams within the company itself. .

Hell, when i played WoW, one of the raid guilds i was in came about as a merger between 5 smallish Guilds.
We then had an the Guild Masters of the individual Guilds of a special named rank for the Guild they came from and any members who came in from that guild were given a rank that matched their old guild name.

The end result was effectively 5 guilds worth of people in one chat channel, able to exchange raid members at a moments notice and fill in for teams that were missing something or just unbalanced between Ranged/Melee.

That Guild lasted for years. Don't have to know every Free Company Member personally for it to work.

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Originally Posted by Toranja

No, the FC size must be reduced to about 200. After that point, you are just adding strangers.

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I agree. You are adding strangers. But you know what? Everyone is a stranger to everyone else at some point. You add people to the FC so they can get to know other people, be friends, and socialize. Hell, I wouldn't be friends with half the people I am friends with in game if it wasn't for them being "strangers" added to a FC at one point. Having a common community such as a Free Company allows people to meet and become friends with other people with similar ideas, languages, and goals. And as everyone else has said, just because you don't personally talk to everyone in the FC doesn't mean no one does. A friend of yours might play with them all the time when you're not around, or a friend of said friend might.....

I really hope you're trolling, because I want to find it hard to believe that someone could be so self centered as to think that the entire in game social system revolves around themselves.....

Hello I am an officer in one of the largest cohesive groups in the world and I must politely request that you do not spread this Fear Uncertainty and Doubt about our glorious FCs. We currently actually need a limit of about 1500 members across the FC's to fully accommodate all our active members in our current super structure and we would appreciate it if you would not judge us just because we are fully righteous and able to lead a clear path. We are planning on expanding ourselves to a third FC for 3.0 so please be careful about this subject in the future, as it is very important to us. Thank you for reading.

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Originally Posted by Toranja

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Everyone in the near-member-cap FC I am in has the exact same goal, and our secondary FC with over 400 players (over 900 total players) also has the exact same goal with a combined leadership for both companies that enforce the structure necessary to achieve that goal.

Sorry you have no idea how large group cohesion works. Maybe try and raise the standards of excellence in FC leadership instead of trying to limit the number of people capable of joining an FC. Raise the standards, don't lower them.