Is "Grit" a proper name for a DRK ability?

Watching today's live letter, a lot of things they previewed for the Dark Knight class looked very awesome. Their abilities sound thought out and I even heard the word "Souleater" dropped which pleased me greatly!

However, one thing bothered me (well, two technically, I didn't really appreciate being called an angsty emo teenager for wanting to play a DRK, but that's besides the point.) "Grit" sounds a lot more like a Warrior ability than a Dark Knight one.

A quick google search tells me I'm not alone in this; when searching google images for "grit" or "gritty" the same few images keep popping up - a tough, no-nonsense, hands-on, muscled individual. Often it kicks up images of sheriffs in the Wild West. What it doesn't show, however, is an Anti-Paladin, dishonorable, shadow and darkness wielding manipulator.

So I ask the FFXIV community; am I alone in thinking "Grit" is a poor choice for a DRK ability? And am I further alone by thinking it would suit a Warrior far better?

While it could very well suit a WAR when you just think the name of the job, "Grit" sounds very much like someone pushing their way through the pain, something that Dark Knights would do alot when sacrificing their HP for attacks most likely (regardless of what DRKs may have been like, they all probably felt a good bit of pain when they sacrificed their hp.)

Of course for XIV its more MP sacrifice, and Grit doesn't require such, but it still can work.

PS: While one could say even these Dark Knights are "Anti-Paladin", what we currently know about them points to them being honorable, as well as Cecil (THE most well known FF Dark Knight) was also very honorable.

PSS: "Let's see you grit those teeth!

I think it fits just fine. It simply means biting your teeth together. It could be due to pain in DRKs' case, instead of anger in WARs'.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

"Let's see you grit those teeth!"

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I love you.

I need to stop reading when I'm sleepy.

I read this title as "Grits" at first. Maybe the Grits skill increases their health by making the otherwise emo dark knight be happy he's got a bowl of grits.

Dark Knights aren't necessarily dishonorable or manipulators. Going by the description here, they're the guys who hunt down corrupt members of the clergy and aristocracy when the law can't. Grit seems appropriate for anyone whose goal involves going against some of the most powerful people in a society no matter what the consequences are (like becoming a pariah or feared). Think like Batman or Daredevil with a great sword. I think Grit pretty much works fine, but the loc team has been known to make weird changes (maybe the original Japanese is better/has a different nuance), so who knows.

As far as the emo thing goes, my Japanese is pretty bad but I'm fairly certain Yoshi-P used an expression that doesn't have a good English equivalent, and "emo" is kind of the closest fit. Think like a teenager going through the whole "look at me I'm so badass and cool and such a tortured soul. I fight against these horrible oppressors even though no one will ever know about my struggle and pain. I'm so badass and cool." Seems to fit dark knight/batman/daredevil lol.

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Originally Posted by Calla

Watching today's live letter, a lot of things they previewed for the Dark Knight class looked very awesome. Their abilities sound thought out and I even heard the word "Souleater" dropped which pleased me greatly!

However, one thing bothered me (well, two technically, I didn't really appreciate being called an angsty emo teenager for wanting to play a DRK, but that's besides the point.) "Grit" sounds a lot more like a Warrior ability than a Dark Knight one.

A quick google search tells me I'm not alone in this; when searching google images for "grit" or "gritty" the same few images keep popping up - a tough, no-nonsense, hands-on, muscled individual. Often it kicks up images of sheriffs in the Wild West. What it doesn't show, however, is an Anti-Paladin, dishonorable, shadow and darkness wielding manipulator.

So I ask the FFXIV community; am I alone in thinking "Grit" is a poor choice for a DRK ability? And am I further alone by thinking it would suit a Warrior far better?

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While I also didn't like Chuunibyou reference (though it was funny), I can see where it comes from (but really we are all playing a fantasy based mmorpg, we are all guilty of this). I personally have the same issue with use of "Grit" as a "stance. I would have liked something along the lines of Conviction ( throw in Dark Conviction if you must). Perhaps even Vehemence (a skill used by Dark Knights in FFT WoTL), though it would have to be a mirror (fliped/reversed) version of it's previous incarnation. In regards to the Anti- Paladin, dishonorable reference, I don't feel it depicts them properly, the current lore found on the Heavansward site does not describe them as such. They are seen as valiant and sentinels that lead the down trodden through darkness.

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Originally Posted by Adire

I need to stop reading when I'm sleepy.

I read this title as "Grits" at first. Maybe the Grits skill increases their health by making the otherwise emo dark knight be happy he's got a bowl of grits.

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First thing that ran through my mind too though.

It seems fine, it just points to the determination to win at any cost. Seems apt for a Dark Knight in all our brooding angst.

I thought grit was something like "Sand"...

It can but also means determination and resolve.

They mentioned in the LL that DRK hasn't gone through localization yet, all the action names could be renamed.

Seems to work fine for me. Let's see you grit those teeth!

grit
ɡrɪt/

courage and resolve; strength of character.
"I've known few men who could match Maude's grit"

synonyms: courage, courageousness, bravery, pluck, mettle, mettlesomeness, backbone, spirit, strength of character, strength of will, moral fibre, steel, nerve, gameness, valour, fortitude, toughness, hardiness, resolve, determination, resolution; more..

It doesn't sounds so good and would love a more dark/emo/angsty/bloody name but reading the DRK bit of lore it makes a lot of sense:

"The pious Ishgardian clergy guide the flock, and the devout knights protect the weak. Yet even the holiest of men succumb to the darkest of temptations.
None dare to administer justice to these sacrosanct elite residing outside the reach of the law. Who, then, defends the feeble from the transgressions of those meant to guide and protect them? A valiant few take up arms to defend the downtrodden, and not even the holy priests and knights can escape their judgment. Pariahs in their own land, they are known by many as “dark knights.” These sentinels bear no shields declaring their allegiance. Instead, their greatswords act as beacons to guide the meek through darkness."

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Originally Posted by Alacran

While I also didn't like Chuunibyou reference (though it was funny), I can see where it comes from (but really we are all playing a fantasy based mmorpg, we are all guilty of this). I personally have the same issue with use of "Grit" as a "stance. I would have liked something along the lines of Conviction ( throw in Dark Conviction if you must). Perhaps even Vehemence (a skill used by Dark Knights in FFT WoTL), though it would have to be a mirror (fliped/reversed) version of it's previous incarnation. In regards to the Anti- Paladin, dishonorable reference, I don't feel it depicts them properly, the current lore found on the Heavansward site does not describe them as such. They are seen as valiant and sentinels that lead the down trodden through darkness.

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I was under the influence that Dark Knights were something along the lines of Ishgard's black-ops; though perhaps that's just two people interpreting the word "honor" differently.

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Originally Posted by Calla

A quick google search tells me I'm not alone in this; when searching google images for "grit" or "gritty" the same few images keep popping up - a tough, no-nonsense, hands-on, muscled individual. Often it kicks up images of sheriffs in the Wild West. What it doesn't show, however, is an Anti-Paladin, dishonorable, shadow and darkness wielding manipulator.

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Dark Knights aren't anti-Paladins.

In fact they're the only thing standing between corrupt church officials/ Inquisitors and innocent people so the Wild West imagery is startlingly appropriate.

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Originally Posted by Instrumentality

Dark Knights aren't anti-Paladins.

In fact they're the only thing standing between corrupt church officials/ Inquisitors and innocent people so the Wild West imagery is startlingly appropriate.

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I think in my mind I had tied in that they would remove corrupt church officials, Inquisitors, and Paladins as the reason I considered them anti-Paladin; they had to be the antithesis to the knights they had to condemn. However, your viewpoint is absolutely valid and I can respect it. I think that if we kept with the spaghetti western theme I would see them as more of the Lone Gunman Vigilante who would dispatch corrupt sheriffs, but there is a degree of grit in that as well.

I'm not sure I still agree with the ability name, but I can respect it a bit more using that theory. Thank you!

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Originally Posted by Calla

I think in my mind I had tied in that they would remove corrupt church officials, Inquisitors, and Paladins as the reason I considered them anti-Paladin; they had to be the antithesis to the knights they had to condemn. However, your viewpoint is absolutely valid and I can respect it. I think that if we kept with the spaghetti western theme I would see them as more of the Lone Gunman Vigilante who would dispatch corrupt sheriffs, but there is a degree of grit in that as well.

I'm not sure I still agree with the ability name, but I can respect it a bit more using that theory. Thank you!

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Yeah I don't really think they're the sheriffs. Just the Wild West imagery in general is really kinda fitting in a startling way. Thanks for your response, it was extremely heartening to see someone so cheery about other points of view on the forum!

Though I do admit I hope the localization team gives the DRK abilities a good, long look so maybe the name will change!

I sort of feel the same way about the word choice. Oddly the new WAR stance 'Abandon' sounds more appropriate for DRK as far as naming conventions go. Maybe they should swap?

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Originally Posted by Nutz

I sort of feel the same way about the word choice. Oddly the new WAR stance 'Abandon' sounds more appropriate for DRK as far as naming conventions go. Maybe they should swap?

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When I heard "Abandon" I thought the same thing; but I put it in the context of "reckless abandon" (means roughly "without care or regard for consequences".) which is fitting for a warrior, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Nutz

I sort of feel the same way about the word choice. Oddly the new WAR stance 'Abandon' sounds more appropriate for DRK as far as naming conventions go. Maybe they should swap?

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Abandon is not the stance, it's the stacks you'll be getting while in the stance; the stance's name seems to be "Deliverance", which is very odd considering the Japanese clearly call it "Destroyer".

I would like it changed, but regardless of what it turns out to be, i really enjoyed what was presented. The animations/ effects were near spot on (personally I could do with out the flipping sword thing, kinda hope it stays on AuRa, but that's a very minor issue) to what I hoped DRK would be presented as.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Abandon is not the stance, it's the stacks you'll be getting while in the stance; the stance's name seems to be "Deliverance", which is very odd considering the Japanese clearly call it "Destroyer".

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Japanese Defiance is Defender, so they get Defender/Destroyer. Similarly, their Infuriate is War Cry, and in the action preview video it looks like Infuriate can be used to give you 5 stacks of Abandon as well as Wrath. The loc team makes weird changes sometimes.

Back on the topic of Grit - while I think it works just fine, maybe something like "Grim Determination" would be more fitting for the dark theme.

What on earth is with all this talk over how the reasoning for Dark Knight having a tank stance called Grit?

A REAL TANK KICKS REASON TO THE CURB AND DO THE IMPOSSIBLE. THIS IS THE PATH ALL GREAT MEN WALK!

JUST WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE ARE?!

I wouldn't give WAR Grit as an offensive stance. I would call it Rage Monster, Berserk, or Murderererererererer.

With the context given for their function in Ishgard, I do think Grit is at least in the ball park for an tank stance. Now if you wanted to switch the names Grit for Defiance, I think I'd be up for a trade.

'Instead, their greatswords act as beacons to guide the meek through darkness." I mean we really could have gotten a stance called 'Beacon for the Meek' which would have only be acceptable if they misspelled it 'Bacon of the Meek'. Beacon in Darkness would be ok.

I'd really like to see "Anathema" (synonym: ex-communication, curse by the church/palpacy) rather than Grit to hit the lore based on the website thus so far. Maybe even "Heretic" based on their methods.

My perception (Heavensward isn't out yet, all speculation) is that Dark Knight is the unsung hero of revenge and brings justice against injustices by any means necessary. I know Cecil was a Dark Knight and Paladin, but Cecil showed personality changes from the two. "Betray him? Any king who'd wish for this is no king of mine." Whereas a Paladin seeks to serve in the glory of a clause to defend its people, Dark Knight compromises their righteousness by any means necessary to make things right.

Oooo dont forget Zeid

After playing FFT: War of the Lions. I think a proper name for a tank stance is "Darkness"" similar to the skill name of all Dark Knight abilities.

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Originally Posted by Marxam

After playing FFT: War of the Lions. I think a proper name for a tank stance is "Darkness"" similar to the skill name of all Dark Knight abilities.

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From what I heard, Darkside is the MP draining DpS stance.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Abandon is not the stance, it's the stacks you'll be getting while in the stance; the stance's name seems to be "Deliverance", which is very odd considering the Japanese clearly call it "Destroyer".

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Well we can assume the abandon is part of the term Wreckless Abandon but I guess having the stance be called wreckless wouldn't give off a postive vibe.

I think grit is more of a reference to Man with no name, or the original inspiration Yojimbo. Spaghetti westerns and samurai movies tend to have alot in common normally so it might be the reason they picked that particular buzz word.

The lone warrior that travels the land despensing his own brand of justice. A Gritty take on Eorzea coming this summer in <Movie cut in SFX> Heavensward!

I think there will be quite a bit of Localization involved to lose all those Dark prefixes.. would make autotranslate for these abilities rather annoying. If I could choose at the moment, knowing what little we know:

Grit => Bravery
Darkside => Deathbringer
Dark Arts => Darkness

Just a few Tactics and FFXI references.. idk.. At least Souleater made the cut, that's enough to please me.

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Originally Posted by Xenosan

I think there will be quite a bit of Localization involved to lose all those Dark prefixes.. would make autotranslate for these abilities rather annoying. If I could choose at the moment, knowing what little we know:

Grit => Bravery
Darkside => Deathbringer
Dark Arts => Darkness

Just a few Tactics and FFXI references.. idk.. At least Souleater made the cut, that's enough to please me.

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Darkside is used for the name of the sac hp deal more damage attack in VIII, IX, and The 4 Heroes of Light so the name is in itself a reference.

"The pious Ishgardian clergy guide the flock, and the devout knights protect the weak. Yet even the holiest of men succumb to the darkest of temptations.
None dare to administer justice to these sacrosanct elite residing outside the reach of the law. Who, then, defends the feeble from the transgressions of those meant to guide and protect them? A valiant few take up arms to defend the downtrodden, and not even the holy priests and knights can escape their judgment. Pariahs in their own land, they are known by many as “dark knights.”

When I read this the first thing to pop into my head was "Assassins" like in Assassins Creed >.< im sure i wasnt the only one

But Grit seems like a good name, sure not the best it could be but I like it.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

I'd really like to see "Anathema" (synonym: ex-communication, curse by the church/papacy) rather than Grit to hit the lore based on the website thus so far. Maybe even "Heretic" based on their methods.

My perception (Heavenward isn't out yet, all speculation) is that Dark Knight is the unsung hero of revenge and brings justice against injustices by any means necessary. I know Cecil was a Dark Knight and Paladin, but Cecil showed personality changes from the two. "Betray him? Any king who'd wish for this is no king of mine." Whereas a Paladin seeks to serve in the glory of a clause to defend its people, Dark Knight compromises their righteousness by any means necessary to make things right.

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What? Grit fits more especially if its gonna be the name for their tank stance ability.

I would like to have seen something darker as well, grit does seem a bit plain for a dark knight.


What about "Seethe" or something along the lines?