Arise Dragoon, Arise!

(had to counter the RIP posts SOMEHOW)

So far it looks like just from a simple addition, that Dragoon is going to get a lot more tactical. Emphasizing on even heavier hitting combos and expending the use of our 4th move to get in a heavy hit.

I personally feel the addition will really feel right with Dragoon and only add to the fun. Really does emphasize on burst damage and solidifies the role of Dragoon.

Not gonna save the mass of floor eaters, but the rest of us will profit well from the change!

But tanking the floor is an important job!

From what I seen today they didn't fix the biggest issue with dragoon which was raid utility. A drg only buffs the bards damage with the piercing debuff which doesn't amount for much. While a monk has dragon kick which lowers the bosses int making them do about 10% less magic damage (very important for progression), and ninja can trick attack giving 10% increased damage to the whole group whenever it is up. Raid groups will still want a MNK and NIN for their 2 melee spots.

DerpGoons in Duty Finder are just going to be more laughable than before. Can't wait.

DRG scene on video is the only one that can kill monster so people can think "Oh DRG become powerful now yay!" :)

a dragoon walks into a bar... the rest of the party dodges, im out

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Originally Posted by Zumi

From what I seen today they didn't fix the biggest issue with dragoon which was raid utility. A drg only buffs the bards damage with the piercing debuff which doesn't amount for much. While a monk has dragon kick which lowers the bosses int making them do about 10% less magic damage (very important for progression), and ninja can trick attack giving 10% increased damage to the whole group whenever it is up. Raid groups will still want a MNK and NIN for their 2 melee spots.

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Depends on how much overlap Machinist and Bard have. If running with both has synergy DRG/BRD/MCH/Any other DpS might be viable.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

From what I seen today they didn't fix the biggest issue with dragoon which was raid utility. A drg only buffs the bards damage with the piercing debuff which doesn't amount for much. While a monk has dragon kick which lowers the bosses int making them do about 10% less magic damage (very important for progression), and ninja can trick attack giving 10% increased damage to the whole group whenever it is up. Raid groups will still want a MNK and NIN for their 2 melee spots.

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How can you know that already? I have only see the New Job Action Videos where they show physicaly the new skills - what dmg they do or if they come with any additional Debuff we dont know yet.

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Originally Posted by Noshpan

But tanking the floor is an important job!

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BRD and BLM are going to pick that up in 3.0, standing still to get their bonuses

I was dreaming of major buffs for dragoon; they have no defensive, and utility in general. So it's kinda hard to work around a DPS that does as much numbers as Monk, but doesn't have Dragon Kick; does as much numbers as Ninja but doesn't have Goad, Trick Attack.


IMHO, Dragoon should('ve) be uncontested top dps since all they got is Disembowel to give to the party's Bard which doesn't makes a difference when compared to Slash resist of a Ninjas+Paladin+Warrior.
I'm Looking forward to it!

Don't rise too much, you are going to fall...

Or getting eaten by a dragon.

Ya that's my guess, dragoons will probably be top dps

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Originally Posted by AlereRaeder

IMHO, Dragoon should('ve) be uncontested top dps since all they got is Disembowel to give to the party's Bard which doesn't makes a difference when compared to Slash resist of a Ninjas+Paladin+Warrior.
I'm Looking forward to it!

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By my understanding using the slash resist chain on Ninja as opposed to the Warrior doing it is actually frowned upon due to the fact that it harms the Ninja's DPS worse than it would hurt the Warrior's. But, it's been a while since I've raided and paid attention to raid things so I may be wrong.


This buff system intrigues me. I will be looking forward to see how it all meshes together.

Nope, DRGs are dead. DRKs have a jump ability, they are taking DRGs job! :p

Honestly. . . Dragoon's new skills look too cool and I think they need to be made more ugly. #bring_the_negativity

dragoons always getting buff. they're overpowered.

drg are the posterboy of this expac. they wont make them underpowered, if anything im expecting dragoon to be OP

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Originally Posted by ErzaScarlet77

drg are the posterboy of this expac. they wont make them underpowered, if anything im expecting dragoon to be OP

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Its less about personal dps though and more about utility.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Its less about personal dps though and more about utility.

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I'm honestly surprised no one has thought about the fact that the range of abilities shown is only the active bonuses for 51-60.

TRAITS! Traits can expand a multitude of moves and we have little information on the effect of the 4th combo attack. It may very well add a magic defense debuff or slashing debuff. Speculation can now recommence!

I was hoping for a variety of new jumps for Drg honestly though, always useful for jumping away from danger(derps jump into it). Survivability is supposed to be a strength of dragoon, only 1% of us know how to use it though.

I don't think that's all to our new abilities as drg. If you look at other classes they are talking about 3 or 4 new skills. Drg had 2 mentioned. People are getting too worked up claiming things as op or a dead class.

and what about the new LB3, other than being majestic doesn't it look like it could be named after the traditional "Drakoken"? I see it fit!

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Depends on how much overlap Machinist and Bard have. If running with both has synergy DRG/BRD/MCH/Any other DpS might be viable.

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And people running this combo (assuming it's viable) may very well attain extremely high DPS if the last melee is a MNK and MCH gunshots are considered blunt damage (I don't see any reason why they wouldn't).

I mean, who cares about the NIN trick attack when ALL DPS could have their damage being buffed 100% of the time?

I'm thinking the stance will unlock 2 weapon skills, one after full thrust and one after chaos thrust. Since chaos thrust combo is more debuff oriented and FT combo is more direct damage, likely the 4th finishers will follow in suit. "Fuller thrust" might be 420ish potency or something, and finsher after Chaotic Thrust could be like STR-10% on the mob, or reduce the mob's critical hit evasion by 5%(indirectly increasing the raid's crit hit damage by 5%).

Then we might have an oGCD that expends the stance but delivers big damage instantly, say 300 or something.

Even if the new moves don't apply a debuff, Dragoon is still an incredibly effective class for DPS checks, especially the impromtu ones. The new moves on further solidify the role. I still say it's a survivability class, which is what can make it far more effective.

But, aside from moves, anyone get a good look at all that gear? It's far better than most of the stuff we currently have in the looks department. Also, anyone seen or know where I can find a picture of the GLAIVE we're getting? Looks like a Dark Knight sword on a spear.

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Originally Posted by melflomil

Ya that's my guess, dragoons will probably be top dps

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i'm sure that MNK will still be top dps.
the plan was from the beginning that MNK would be highest dps, cause it's more difficult to maintain. while DRG is easy to play, but not as strong.
MNK got new ways to boost their damage as well, not just DRG, so yah, monk will still be champion of dps.