How FFXIV will force people to level in new map more than run FATE (and bot) in NT

In WoW if you are at or above the maximum level for a given expansion, killing creatures from that expansion's zones will only give 10% of normal experience. Quests will continue to give their standard EXP, or gold for level-capped players. That force people to move to new map from start of expansion for continue leveling. If they don't have system like this in FF, people can run FATE in NT until LV60 because it's very easy from over gear and no level sync (That's cause problem about fate bot too). What do you think about it?

It won't really matter that much because you'll be going through all the areas for the story, since end game will most likely again be tied to completion of said story. As well people can run fates in Coer right now and still get to 50, yet people still do so in Northern Thanalan as well.

You also forget that the area, even after it loses its shiny, will still be newer and thus players will probably like being there more often UNLESS it just ends up being horrendsly bad for leveling.

I think that every MMO has people who choose some powerlevel grind rather than having fun only to become max level.
But it definitely doesn't hurt other people so I don't see a reason to adress that. If they want to farm FATEs rather than do new quests and enjoy new locations.. let them.

I'm not sure people doing Fates in N.Than is that much of an issue, tbh. If anything, 3-4 less parties grinding fates in the new areas will be a blessing at launch.

If lvl sync can be imposed, so can ilvl sync (if that's your concern for ppl spamming fate in NT from 50 to 60).

But I don't see why ppl would stay in NT if expansion maps have higher lvl fates. I don't lvl near Costa del Sol at lvl 42.

Also, lvling is such a short process I don't think it matters...

In fact, I'm no worry about people. I fear about fate bot problem because someone told me they will use it for leveling in NT when 3.0 come.

I much prefer that there is choice of how we wish to level, otherwise newer areas will be overcrowded and there will be no variation in player's individual style.
Im glad we dont have a WoW clone (not that i can even recall an exp cap per area for the very breif time i played it), its Final Fantasy and i like it that way.

Is there a problem with people leveling to 50 off Coerthas FATEs currently? It might be decent exp for the first few levels, but then all of a sudden you're having to level synch, and mobs give less and less exp, and 58-60 takes more total FATEs than 50-57.

Why is nobody worried about roulette bonuses? Low level gives about half a level exp, what if level 50 roulette does the same!?! People will get a level a day off doing 2 old dungeons, never having to set foot in the expansion areas, oh the horror.

NT FATEs are Lvl 49. So iLvl Sync will start at Lvl 55.

Also the FATEs with higher Lvl in the new areas will give more EXP ;)

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Originally Posted by Kemonologist

In fact, I'm no worry about people. I fear about fate bot problem because someone told me they will use it for leveling in NT when 3.0 come.

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Bots will bot, no matter the zone. If it isn't N. Than., they'll go for S. Than. If not S. Than, then W. La Noscea. Botters are more likely to go to areas with fewer players, and if that just so happens to be N. Than, then it just means that nobody cares about it anymore (actually, on Ultros really nobody cares because everyone just stays in Coerthas to 50). If you happen to want to level where the botters are, the best you can do is report them and take advantage of not having to solo the FATEs.

From my understanding of the rumors leveling 50 to 60 will fell like leveling 20 to 50. that's a hell of a FATE GRIND. And the reason for this is they don't want ppl to blow threw the expansion in a week. However ppl will play as they want to, more to them. No one really has any answers any way its all just speculation.

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Originally Posted by Shori

I much prefer that there is choice of how we wish to level, otherwise newer areas will be overcrowded and there will be no variation in player's individual style.
Im glad we dont have a WoW clone (not that i can even recall an exp cap per area for the very breif time i played it), its Final Fantasy and i like it that way.

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This. I am hoping we can level off the highly level mobs like they showed in the tour video with a small group. :) The more choices the better!

For a lv51+ job FATEs in the new zones will give more exp than FATEs in Mor Dhona.
Like for a lv46+ job FATEs in Mor Dhona give more exp than FATEs in North Thanalan or Central Coerthas

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Originally Posted by Grey_Cain

Bots will bot, no matter the zone. If it isn't N. Than., they'll go for S. Than. If not S. Than, then W. La Noscea. Botters are more likely to go to areas with fewer players, and if that just so happens to be N. Than, then it just means that nobody cares about it anymore (actually, on Ultros really nobody cares because everyone just stays in Coerthas to 50). If you happen to want to level where the botters are, the best you can do is report them and take advantage of not having to solo the FATEs.

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I doubt you will see them at FATEs, they already have an easier/less visible/faster way of doing it; position hacking in dungeons.

How many level <15 bots do you see in the starter zones with the AFK chair symbol killing mobs?
How many do you see level 15+?

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Originally Posted by Dragoon4life

From my understanding of the rumors leveling 50 to 60 will fell like leveling 20 to 50. that's a hell of a FATE GRIND. And the reason for this is they don't want ppl to blow threw the expansion in a week. However ppl will play as they want to, more to them. No one really has any answers any way its all just speculation.

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They are introducing Alexander after 2 weeks, so they expect a large number of people to be 60 by that time. Between daily and weekly bonuses, main story quests, and new dungeons, it should be pretty easy to hit 60 before then.

If you were to follow the values that were data-mined for the exp curve from 50-60, I wouldn't think just hanging in Northern Thanalan would be the greatest of ideas.

For context, from 1-50, you need to earn a cumulative 8.2 million points of exp.

If the values found are to be true, to go from 50-60 is about 10.5 million points of exp. That is more than double the road to 50 from 1! Not to mention that until you get your first level 60, you are also losing on your passive 50% exp bonus. Overall, you'd probably be better off just hitting the new content, at least for your first level 60. If you follow the main scenario, grind out a couple of the dungeons, and hit each questing zone, you'd probably be hitting it pretty naturally.

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Originally Posted by HorseBoots

For context, from 1-50, you need to earn a cumulative 8.2 million points of exp.

If the values found are to be true, to go from 50-60 is about 10.5 million points of exp.

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Level 1-30 is 1.3M exp, 30-40 is almost 2.3M exp
Level 1-40 is 3.6M exp, 40-50 is almost 4.7M exp

The exp you get from killing stuff, doing FATEs, doing leves scales up as you level, so it softens the blow. The reason 40-50 felt so rough was that the MSQ sputters there and only covers a small fraction of your exp, while it was enough to cover the bulk of it at lower levels.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

The exp you get from killing stuff, doing FATEs, doing leves scales up as you level, so it softens the blow. The reason 40-50 felt so rough was that the MSQ sputters there and only covers a small fraction of your exp, while it was enough to cover the bulk of it at lower levels.

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The problem is that you only earn so much exp from FATEs and Leves of lower level before you just have to retire a zone and move on. But I think we're also going a little off-top from what OP wanted. Jumping straight into the new zones and leveling there will clear a multitude of goals all at once. You are clearing the MSQ (A claimed 50 hours in length.) Attuning to the new camps for teleporting. Unlocking the ability to fly in each of the new zones (You can not fly immediately upon entering one.) Unlocking new dungeons for later roulette, etc. I mean, if you REALLY want to just bot in N. Than from 50-60. You're still entitled to do so. I think it's dumb, but you can.

I forgot about there being unmapped zones, clearing an entire map gets you 10% (?) of a level iirc, it's 0.5% for each of the 10 pieces, then 5% for the whole thing. So that's about 1 level just exploring the new areas.

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Originally Posted by Dragoon4life

From my understanding of the rumors leveling 50 to 60 will fell like leveling 20 to 50. that's a hell of a FATE GRIND. And the reason for this is they don't want ppl to blow threw the expansion in a week. However ppl will play as they want to, more to them. No one really has any answers any way its all just speculation.

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Its more of 1-50 cuz you know its a kind of a brand new game?
Itd be bad game design if it was just "another normal" 10 levels.
Only a few will be level 60 in a few days as they will have grinded their eyes out. No time to waste in new dungeons as they r new = wipe fest cuz mechanics too hard.

Ugh... reading some of these posts, along with the OPs suggestion reminds me of how horrible it was during the first several months. FATE groups trying to be fully efficient by leaving active FATEs once they hit a likely gold status, which after 20+ people participated, left a couple people to die to the remaining FATE that's been buffed to cater to a much larger crowd. It was really stupid to watch in some cases. Some groups went to such extremes that they'd leave every single FATE... then just wait by the Aetheryte until they all failed. Standing around idling for 5+ minutes isn't exactly what I'd call being efficient when it comes to exp grinds.

I think I'm gonna skip the rush completely if it turns out to be like that again. Just gonna level up crafting and gathering. Maybe level other stuff during off hours and through any daily bonus dungeons there may be. Maybe even try to find traditional exp party spots, assuming there are any decent ones.

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Originally Posted by HorseBoots

For context, from 1-50, you need to earn a cumulative 8.2 million points of exp.

to go from 50-60 is about 10.5 million points of exp. That is more than double the road to 50 from 1!

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Um... 10.5 is more than double 8.2?

I like the fact that people arent forced to move map to map as they level, and can go anywhere to get -some- gains in progression.

This results in a more geographic dilution of the populace, so that no single zone is too saturated.

Does ANYONE do North Thanalan fates anymore? For my last few classes I grinded South Thanalan (the beast tribe areas) since those fates are a little easier for solo players, spawn faster, and are generally closer together. On my server, North Thanalan seemed to stop being a thing when atma were introduced (available in S. thanalan) and became impossible when Hunts were added due to people mass murdering the earth sprite fate. North thanalan fates just don't seem to scale well to large or small numbers of players, while the south thanalan fates are much easier to do with any size party.

Outside of the Chimera I've seen/participated in N. Than fates both on my current server and on Balmung when my main was there. In 2.45 there seemed to always be atleast on group on Balmung, Greg seems to have much less. That said currently I find dungeon runs and (for 40-50) Grand Company leves to be much better for leveling than fates outside of the challenge log boosts.

We'll see how it goes come xpac.

I still do N. Than. I mean by 45 ~20k per fate is pretty nifty. On my server they are done just as fast as Coerthas. So ~15k vs ~20k? N. Than beats it.