Drawing Distance, Can we have it?

Hello Fans and developers! =)
Have you noticed this?, i'm not talking about the "Background Drawing Quality", i'm talking about the Drawing Distance, look at this pics

1-. Far
2-. Middle
3-. Close

Can we have an option to choose what drawing distance have?
ty =)
PD: We have an option in game, but it works only for objects, like trees, not textures

Seriously, I would love this. I can't stand the "bubble" that you see when textures pop in. That crap drives me pamamas.

P-A-M-A-M-A-S

Ah, good old texture detail distance.

Guy 1:"Hey, did that building suddenly become prettier?"

Guy 2:"uhh..., I dunno, I'm still two steps behind you"

The engine will probably be enhanced over the course of time and expansions to allow these kinds of options, so it'll probably just take some time and patience.

I'd like an option to reduce foilage or detail on foilage, running around Gridania makes my computer scream.

Ya...this game tbh lacks good textures look.But rift does it right!

But the clothes look awesome (b'.')b

Konata like using Ren as barbie doll for new creations :D

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Seriously, I would love this. I can't stand the "bubble" that you see when textures pop in. That crap drives me pamamas.

P-A-M-A-M-A-S

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lol, I thought it was just my computer doing that. It bugs me, too. XD

Spinning the camera round quickly and seeing people and textures magically appear infront of you is always good for a laugh too, especially when you've found a nest of R.M.T Lalafell :D

This problem is due to SE relying on some background/foreground system instead of simple mipmapping and tesselation.

Tbh the engine seems to need a lot of tweaking, some areas cause some crazy slow-down just by the addition of grass and plants, in cities vendors can take forever to spawn, in La Noscea the whole place lags whenever it gets windy, and textures get wacky sometimes. Some of these things could be fixed simply with options to turn them on or off, or sliders to increase or decrease detail. We just need the config program to be updated with more options :3

Coldfire, I don't think Mipmapping is the issue.

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Originally Posted by Rinoa

Coldfire, I don't think Mipmapping is the issue.

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Do you know how mipmapping works and what it does? <.<

I was taking a look at this texture wibbling earlier when running around Limsa. I don't think it's mipmapping, it's sort of a 'level of detail' distance. Basically, your 'background drawing quality' option in config works on a scale, as it goes up, it draws the detailed textures for a longer or shorter distance, depending on what you have it set to.

But not just in a 'up to 500m is detail, then out of 500m is less detail' way, it sort of happens in multiple jumps. So say you have it set to standard. For 500 yards you'll have +3 detail, then from 500-1000 yards you'll have +2 detail, then 1000-maximum view distance is +1, which is really pixelated. This gives the illusion of having some giant invisible bubbles around your character, and when things enter those bubble their textures improve untill eventually they get close enough to be drawn in optimal quality.

I think if you could set the detail higher than what the config offers you'd probably be hit with some pretty serious graphical lag, so untill the games engine is tweaked for optimal performance, this is what you'll have to live with.

If it's really that bad turn on 'depth of field', that fuzzes everything out of focus from certain distances and stops the 'texture bubbles' being so noticable. It also chews up a bit of processer so don't be surprised if the games frame-rate nosedives when you turn it on ;)

You really should research mipmapping. It's exactly the problem here. Proper mipmapping or mipmapping based anisotropic filtering provides a stepless-looking level of detail into the depth. Without it you have aliasing in the background. With only two levels of mipmapping you have a border between highres and lowres textures. SE implemented their own technique it seems. They only have background and foreground. That's okay for objects if you can't use tesselation, but for textures it looks really bad.

I thought anti-aliasing was that thing that smoothed out the edges on 3D objects? How would that effect things in the background?

Also whenever a game offers mipmapping or antistropic filtering graphical options I always turn it off as I've never noticed a difference with it on apart from decreased frame-rates.

Also I thought the 'multi-sampling' option in the games config was for anti-aliasing, since it gives options for 'MSAA' etc.? Wouldn't that make distanced textures look better? (I'm still pretty sure anti-aliasing is all about smoothing 3D edges though.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_anti-aliasing
If you disable mipmapping and texture filtering your game will look reaaaaaally bad. It would have massive aliasing. Besides mipmapping increases the performance at the cost of memory (which modern gpus have more than enough of).
FSAA fixes edge aliasing. Mipmapping fixes texture aliasing.

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Originally Posted by Coldfire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_anti-aliasing
If you disable mipmapping and texture filtering your game will look reaaaaaally bad. It would have massive aliasing. Besides mipmapping increases the performance at the cost of memory (which modern gpus have more than enough of).
FSAA fixes edge aliasing. Mipmapping fixes texture aliasing.

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Aha... informative. I have learned something new *salutes* So MMAA is makes edges and lines in textures clearer, FSAA makes edges and lines on 3D objects clearer.

I have texture filtering on high at the moment, makes icons and things like much clearer, they looked all fuzzy on standard.

So is there an option in multi-sampling that I could turn on to make the game prettier without it eating my Geforce 210 or frame-rate? At the moment the settings seem to be at their limit in areas like Black Shroud and La Noscea, but if I could beef up the eye-candy without making that worse, I'll go for it (b'.')b

You will have to try around to find the right settings. Stuff like texture filtering and anti aliasing mostly depends on the GPU and driver. Sadly SE screwed around with the D3D code and it's almost impossible to override their settings with the nvidia control panel. Same for ATI though. Edge detect AA only seems to work in fullscreen mode for me :(
Let's just hope they work on the engine some more instead of adding tiny content bits every month that entertain us for a few hours :P

Oh I turn off all the settings in the nvidia control panel, usually they just make things worse.

What I wouldn't give for a geforce 460gt :3

The engine is fine at rendering the 3d images, look at ffxiii which also used crystal tools, the problem is the options the client supports, and also how the client is programmed to render 3d images in the background.

Yes the engine needs work (off topic a lil) but it is not the cause of this problem, the cause is how the client is designed.

I got a SSD and NPCs pop up instantly.
But better optimization for regular HDD's would be best.

Also....DRAW DISTANCE MAKES ME SCREAM INSIDE!
The game looks so nice but seeing plants and trees and buildings
appear or look better just saddens me...
Hope this gets fixed sometime.

*mumble* damn plants appearing out of nowhere...*shakes head as walks away and mumbles*

*watches Veran walk into magically appearing plant*

I remember first time I saw a summoned Carbuncle in FFXI. Everything around me looked old and dated, then there was this shiny sparkly white thing with at least 1000 more pixels to it than everything else on the screen put together.

Very confusing experience :3

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

*watches Veran walk into magically appearing plant*

I remember first time I saw a summoned Carbuncle in FFXI. Everything around me looked old and dated, then there was this shiny sparkly white thing with at least 1000 more pixels to it than everything else on the screen put together.

Very confusing experience :3

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lol true story.

Then there was some guy I met that was playing through the PS2 version and saying how it looked so much better than the PC version, my response was:

"Surely sir, you jest, what jolly merrymaking you must be having, now seriously, there's no way a PS2 game can look better than what a computer with double it's power can render... right?"

If the detail of summoned creatures was also the level of detail the PS2 version got overall... he wasn't jesting...

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Originally Posted by Xquiel

Hello Fans and developers! =)
Have you noticed this?, i'm not talking about the "Background Drawing Quality", i'm talking about the Drawing Distance, look at this pics

1-. Far
2-. Middle
3-. Close

Can we have an option to choose what drawing distance have?
ty =)
PD: We have an option in game, but it works only for objects, like trees, not textures

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you speak my mind, especially in limsa and parts of gridania its just horrible to look at the "not too far away" textures.

Fun trick:

Go to config and turn Background Drawing Quality down to 1

Travel to Limsa

Welcome to Legoland! :D

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Originally Posted by Coldfire

You really should research mipmapping. It's exactly the problem here. Proper mipmapping or mipmapping based anisotropic filtering provides a stepless-looking level of detail into the depth. Without it you have aliasing in the background. With only two levels of mipmapping you have a border between highres and lowres textures. SE implemented their own technique it seems. They only have background and foreground. That's okay for objects if you can't use tesselation, but for textures it looks really bad.

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its seems like "no technique" rather then some kinda technique. And proper mip mapping like it is ... standard for like a decade now... (/facepalm) would help and give us a nicer feeling about distances. And it would make it much easier to implement a slider for distance controls as well i think.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Fun trick:

Go to config and turn Background Drawing Quality down to 1

Travel to Limsa

Welcome to Legoland! :D

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lol yeah thats horrible and the best thing is... its not even helping the performance much but looks like doom 1
or even worse

Now all we need is muskets, then to run around Thanalan at night in first-person view, watching the gun bob up and down in the bottom-right corner of the screen, and it shall be complete!

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Originally Posted by VeranRamaden

I got a SSD and NPCs pop up instantly.
But better optimization for regular HDD's would be best.

Also....DRAW DISTANCE MAKES ME SCREAM INSIDE!
The game looks so nice but seeing plants and trees and buildings
appear or look better just saddens me...
Hope this gets fixed sometime.

*mumble* damn plants appearing out of nowhere...*shakes head as walks away and mumbles*

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but the best thing is that the few shadows the game has *sigh* pop so late, its like you run past something then the shadow pops...

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Now all we need is muskets, then to run around Thanalan at night in first-person view, watching the gun bob up and down in the bottom-right corner of the screen, and it shall be complete!

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and someone has to make a youtube video FFXIV vs DOOMI... guess who will win

We'll need a Highlander constantly raising his left and right eyebrow and pulling angry faces.

At least imps could die in one shot.

Cyber Demon > Dodo